just wondering- pull vs release triggers

I knew Don Haldeman-you are not a Don Haldeman.

 

I just read an e mail that I believe very possibly may have been written about this post ? It read ( when you are dead you don't know that you are dead.It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.)LOL

Dave Berlet

 

Thats it, Im done.

 

"I knew Don Haldeman-you are not a Don Haldeman"

Oleo, I don't think you are oleo also.

I was right. The logic is a problem here !

 

Here is an other one:

How can you explain thru a logical analysis the fact that the release "cures" trigger freeze and flinching.

What is the secret behind this myth?

How many of you release users FTF and why?

 

You just won't give up will you.

No one is believing your nonsense.

Stop already!

 

Smelly, this is a forum. I give up if you can prove with arguments my nonsense.
What are you afraid of?

 

How long have you been on the 27?

 

I no shoot di Amatore Trap but I knowd much about much better game-di bunker. I read book on flinchers too and know mucher about very bad release trigger. You ask me and I tell.

 

Thanks Dawg, I thought I might be the only one.

That was going to be my next question to our foreign exchange student.

What country are you from and where in the world did you learn to speak and write English.

You almost need an interpreter to decipher what this guy is trying to say.

 

Artur.
Im only afraid of big ass dogs, pissed off women and my mother when she calls me by my entire given name.

 

Why not?

 

Why not? Is like put a race horse against a wagon horse to race

Your bet would be ......on......???

 

My hockey team is the Penguins. Reading this guys stuff is like listening to Malkin speak. Ya can't help but smile.

Again artur codrea I ask, how long you be on 27? Why not you answer? What you afraid of?

 

This thread reminds me of a stuck toilet...it keeps running and running.

 

It does NOT matter if you are correct in your assumption that a release trigger is faster than a pull trigger. Really, it doesn't.
In trapshooting and bunker shooting, only 1 person is shooting at a target at a time.
It doesn't matter which trigger is faster.
Seriously, start a new thread that makes more sense.
Although this one went way farther than I thought it would or than it should have!

 

The stuck toilet like the toaster have a purpose ... I feel sorry for his dog ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

Flyer:

"What country are you from and where in the world did you learn to speak and write English"

Upstate NY. Canada.

Too bad you can hear my accent. Man, what a loss.

I can't get to 27 because I don't have a release. The only release I got is from prison.

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"It does NOT matter if you are correct in your assumption that a release trigger is faster than a pull trigger. Really, it doesn't.
In trapshooting and bunker shooting, only 1 person is shooting at a target at a time.
It doesn't matter which trigger is faster"

I was right, there is lack of logic here.

Trap shooting is not cowboy action but if someone uses superior technology (release trigger) have more chances
to hit the bird quicker with less lead.at 27 than a lazy pull !

I can explain it again at request.

 

Wish I had ''superior technology'' when my first year of trapshooting I made the 27 in 7 months including winning yardage at the Grand. And various single championships including MD class A state champion 199x200. Nominated Rookie of the Year. If only I had a release LOL. Early 70's with 3 hole targets.
Artur, by any chance, are you French Canadian, that would explain a lot aye.

 

Well, Artur,
You are if nothing else, persistent.

Trying to see this from your perspective;

Two shooters standing side by side on the 27 yard line at post 3.
Both shooters have the exact same gun.
One has the release trigger the other a pull trigger.
Both have the exact same load in the gun.
Both shooters are the absolute same height, weight, eye and hair color.
Identical in every way right down to shoe size and same number of teeth.
Two identical targets are thrown at exactly the same speed, height angle relative to each shooter.
Both fire at precisely the same millisecond.
They both hit the target with the same number of shot.
The shot fired from the gun with the release trigger hits the target how much faster than the pull trigger,
.002 of a second sooner.
How is that an advantage?
If he misses is that an advantage to the pull trigger user?
By your logic it is.
Trap shooting is not a timed sport.
Sure there is a time allotted for a round by it's not put to a stopwatch and the squad docked targets for taking a little longer.
There is no basis for your argument other than for the sake of arguing.

Maybe you spent too much time in the big house to come up with this crap.

I sure have spent too much time on it.
I'm done.

 

Smely, are you serious?? Your logic is fishy.

A simple reality check:

Release trigger...O resistance at release

Pull trigger ........3-4 lb resistance at pull

Only a blind and illogical people can't see the difference.

According to Shooting magazine:

"The general consensus of opinion is that a shotgun trigger should be set at about 4lb.

Certainly anything under 3lb is dangerous, and anything more than 5lb is a handicap."

Anything from here is a hidden politic lead by release trigger politicians.

I am wondering why?.......

 

"Release trigger politicians"
WTF ???

 

''Wonder'' hmm. First we have to define ''Wonder''. Let's see, a ''Wonder'' is when you stick your figer up your ass, and if it don't smell, it's a ''Wonder''.

 

Me thinks he wonders a lot ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

Me thinks it would be very difficult for "artur" to insert his finger in his rectum. With his head already up there, there wouldn't be enough room.

On the other hand, pardon the pun, it would be more efficient since he could scratch his arse and nose at the same time. Probable a LOT faster than someone that didn't have there head up their ......

Well, it is all about being more efficient and faster isn't it?

 

mentally or physically ?

 

Keep going guys ,we are world wide famous of being very educated people.
I'm sure all of you shoot pump, right?

 

Some more edumacated than others I think.

 

I use shoot pump, not any more. I got edumacated and moved up to single. Than I got really edumacated when shooter tell me I can't double with only one barrel. Him was very smart like you.
He say faster if I have two barrels. I told him I heard of guy that shot good doubles with only one barrel. Name of Rudy.
Ah ha, he did shoot a pump. Maybe they are faster?


Man, that hurt to write it that way. I don't know how he does it so effortlessly.

 

I was a flincher and went to a release, remember pointing is a natural reflex, pulling is a non-natural reflex, The natural reflex of pointing will be the winner eventually in every circumstance hands down. The release works, it causes more concentration and natural movement and pointing which is MORE ACCURATE CONSISTANTLY. No Graphs, No Charts, which cannot be used in this experiment accurately. The guy with the release is going to clean your clock.

When you say look at that and you point your finger, you don't CRICK your pointing finger back.

Gary Bryant.............................Dr.longshot Grudge Match Champ

 

Thank you for your courage Dr longshot I hope they will not excommunicate you because of what you just said.
What you say is an other angle that highlights the superiority of the release over pull.

On the other hand , do you know what is the cause of your flinch?

Do you agree that the release won't cure flinch but only eliminates the jerked movement of the gun and the cause still in place?

 

Maybe we should try Spanish-mi no comprende.

 

Artur,
For your information I am pretty smart, I can sit, stay, heel, fetch, lay down, work the remote, shoot a release and or a pull trigger (prefer pull) , drive, cook, do laundry and the list goes on and on ... I want to see your dog do some of those things, actually you also ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

I just wonder what artur did for a pastime before he discovered Americantrapshooter? It is truly amazing to me how many words he can print on this site and what little he says,but if this trips his trigger (release or pull) I guess he is on to something big and very self satisfying. Keep the information highway open and the words flowing. Just good to here from you.LOL

Dave Berlet

 

But, can you point Quai?

 

What gets me is how he refuses to listen or comprehend from shooters that collectivly have100s of years of experiance between them including All Americans and some that have set records. Reason why...he read something on google.

 

Maybe we should ban tall shooters?? Heck, they get to see the target way before the short guys. Maybe even faster than the speed advantage of a release!

 

I almost got into a bar fight years ago with a tall vs short shooter advantage discussion. The other guy did a 180 on that subject about a week later.

 

The shorter shooter may have an advantage to having an earlier tangent intersect point to the arc of the target.

 

I remember a talk with Frank Little at some western shoot he said jokingly, ''maybe I should get some of those cowboy boots and see if I shoot better''.

 

There is any Intellectual on this forum to talk with?? Release or pull advocate?

 

Artur,

You are on the wrong site, the one you need to be on is : What you always knew but in reality you didn't know Jack.com ... You will get along much better with them and none of them speak english either ... See Yah ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

Yeah, arty, it was fun for a while but now you are just boring. I good comic has to know when to quit,
You pretty much jumped the shark with your last post and now it's just silly crap trying to get a response.

If you want to really contribute tell us why you started this little fishing trip in the first place.

 

Could it be he did not get all his Happy Meal toys when he was younger?

 

I guess , not. Keep chewing that nasty weed to have a reason to live.

 

Maybe we could buy him for what he knows and sell him for what he thinks he knows. Then we could all get one of those fantastic release trigger and still have still have money left over to shoot on! His posts on here remind of the time that Neil got to stutter typing.

Dave Berlet

 

Eh Artur,was you released at birth and had to be pulled from the floor? Did your head hurt? Do you praise the queen? So many questions,now release your answers,eh ok.

 

I am pretty sure Mr Dysinger never feared anybody shooting a release or thought he was at a disadvantage,

 

Picking my release up tomorrow ,gotta drive seventy miles to get it,cant wait to try it out,

 

Shot my release in the 99 plus last night, guy did a great job on the trigger,couldnt be happier.

 

Now you can kick some "pull a$$e$" without any remorse.

 

Huh?

The words hammer handles, and as a post, come to mind when I read your contributions.

BTW, art, I should have been more succinct in my inquiry about you and the 27 yrd line.
Why haven't you ever made the fence?

 

The only time I ever shot a release was way back in 1974 before I joined the ATA. My cousin and I would go to the Fort Wayne Winchester Club to shoot one or two nights a week. I was using my dad's model 12 because I didn't own a trap gun. There was a bunch of guys who would play cards and shoot a little. One night in Feb it was colder than a whore's heart and Dana and I still wanted to shoot, the card crowd left early so when I went to the gun rack I picked up the only model 12 left. I shot a bad score of 18 or so and blamed it on the cold. We went home right after that and I put my gun in the case and left it there.

The next day I got a call from one of the card guys that he had my gun by mistake, his gun was a release and I never noticed it when I shot the night before. Release Triggers are in your head. Going forward during my trap shooting I just made up my mind that I wasn't going to flinch and never have. Brain Power always wins out boys and girls, positive thinking. Brad

 

Clearly, as a founding member noted, the guy with the release trigger has a distinct natural advantage over the guy using a pull trigger. In the long run, the release trigger shooter will always prevail, provided all other factors are the same. Is it time to consider a different class, or to separate release/pull shooters in competition to make things more fair? Even different championships? Naaah, probably would be too controversial.... Enough controversy in the game, anyway, but fun to talk about, eh? Regards,Ed

 

Old Goat, we are getting close...

The status quo is controversial, what do you think?

 

For sure! ALWAYS something to debate...... Best Regards,. I think...Ed

 

Actually, not just a fun talk. In international bunker trap release triggers are not legal.
The Italians have always had a strong hand in the rules of Bunker and what format the games are played. (Including, not allowing women to have the same trap setup competitions as men (same number of targets, doubles only etc.) so no one could compare back to back scores between sexes to keep their egos intact.
Anyway, the Italians won't allow release triggers in Bunker which means, Olympics, World Cup and even ends up in our National Championship for Bunker.
So, a WHOLE BUNCH of really good ATA shooters are precluded from participating. Not just a different catagory. You can't play. And they all know how many phenomenal ATA trap shooters there are who shoot release triggers.

 

Jake, the bunker is governed by ISSF. that means everybody on this World need to get access to release.

Not one single manufacturer sell guns with release in shops. Exceptions are but only for Americans.you know the market....is huge. K gun and maybe others.

The policy is that everybody has to compete under the same rules.

Now, according to these people here( forum) there is no difference between release and pull trigger.

Considering that, those phenomenal ATA trap shooters can sign up with pull guns and is OK

I am not sure they will be as good as they are with pull- release-pull guns when they are used to release- pull-release( double release) guns.aka faster firing guns,

 

Everyone does not compete under the same rules. Some guns are equipped with funny stocks while others have various rib configurations. Believe it or not everyone does not shoot the same gun or have the same trigger pull length. Just because many of those foreigners cannot locate the deodorant aisle in the supermarket doesn't mean we should be like them. No, most top trapshooters in the US are not interested in competing for fake medals but really shoot for cold cash.

Besides, there's far more trapshooters than bunker boys so we must be doing something right.

 

Waiting for flyerguy to chime in on this one.

 

I must agree with you.Oleo. Bunker is not for American shooter.It is too hard. It is much complicated ,and far more challenging than ATA and hard to understand it.as well This is why are more ATA shooters than bunker shooters, I guess.

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GEEEEEEEZ art, that bait box of yours never goes empty does it?



You will have to go to You Tube to watch but I'm pretty sure this shooter is an American.

 

And Ashley Carrol just won the women's title in Mexico this week.

 

Boy, Artur,
You just don't give up do you?
You're like a bad dream, you just keep coming back.
Over and over and over..........

Last I knew, release triggers are NOT allowed in bunker trap.
So why do you keep referencing bunker?

 

Let me be clear. I was talking about male bunker shooters and not about the entire Olympic events

BT you just forget to mention that at the same event In Mexico where Ashley Carroll won,( Congratulation) the male bunker shooters came
10 ,12 and like 40.
For your record the bunker male team spiked two Olympic games because they did not qualify for them..
What is wrong with you guys , this is the reality!

I f they introduce release they may have a chance to top the others but until then....

 

"Let me be clear. I was talking about male bunker shooters and not about the entire Olympic events"

So in art's world the women don't need release triggers but the men do? Last time I checked both men and women had the same number of fingers.


"What is wrong with you guys , this is the reality!"

Here is a little reality art.
You started this to get a little attention. Congratulations.

You don't answer direct questions, for instance, do you shoot a release and in what shotgun discipline?

"If they introduce release they may have a chance to top the others but until then.... "

Your thinking that if the MEN were able to use a release trigger in bunker(olympics) they would have a chance to "top" the other shooters is flawed. If these other shooters are that good (and they are) wouldn't they be better using a release also and still post better scores than they do now?

Regardless of your flawed thinking that a release is an advantage (see above line about NOT answering direct questions) if the release is so much better, WHY IN THE WORLD DOES ANYONE IN ANY SHOTGUN SPORT USE A PULL TRIGGER?

Please, don't give us that crap that only certain companies offer a release as an option. With all the other add on options available I would think that a release would be a no brainer no matter what the cost. Especially since, as you and only you say, the release is a distinct advantage.

Now, as I said the word reality is not synonymous with your post but the words no and brainer are definitely connected.

C'mon art, now is time to fess up and tell us all that it was a nice run, you were only trolling, and you really don't believe any of that crap. I knew it from the first post but some of the guys thought you were serious.

We don't have an award for "king troll" here so I'm afraid you might have wasted some of your time. IMO you are welcome to try another subject but realize that we are on to you.

 

Flyer, as I see you are the designate driver here.

It is sad because you don't have arguments only BS
Why is troll on comparing the pull trigger to release trigger?
The troll is that you guys won't admit the advantage of the last one over the first one.
It is politics and nothing else.
To show your ignorance I answer to this
"WHY IN THE WORLD DOES ANYONE IN ANY SHOTGUN SPORT USE A PULL TRIGGER?"
BECAUSE NOBODY SELLS RELEASE TRIGGER GUNS WORLD WIDE.
Go to Pro Bass and buy one and tell us why they do not have one!
WHY, BECAUSE OF SAFETY REASONS !

 

"BECAUSE NOBODY SELLS RELEASE TRIGGER GUNS WORLD WIDE."
Anyone can purchase a release from a number of reputable makers. If release triggers are such an advantage why don't all the best shooters in the world use them? Simple question, if, as you claim, they are better why don't ALL the shooters that can afford them have them in their guns?

BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BETTER!

"Go to Pro Bass and buy one and tell us why they do not have one!"
Pro Bass? Geeeeez, if you cant even get the name right how are we supposed to take anything else you say seriously.

The only BS as you call it, started with the first post you put up. As I said before I knew it right away. No one could be that naïve or just so misinformed that they would post what you did. That's why I know you were just fishing. OR, and I hope not, you really don't have a clue about shooting ANY type of shotgun discipline.

Please tell us all what type of shotgun you own, who installed the release trigger, which shotgun game you participate in and how long you have been doing it.

"WHY, BECAUSE OF SAFETY REASONS ! "
So you are saying release triggers are NOT safe? You should have saved that one for your second trolling expedition.

Pro Bass! Now that is funny, I don't care what anyone says.

 

The only thing that I can sort out of your BS is indeed "Bass pro" and not vice versa. My mistake.

Now that I corrected go to " Bass Pro" shops and ask for a release trigger shotgun.

I can't wait what you gonna say to us.....

 

Flyers as I posted earlier in this race to now where(when you are dead you don't know you're dead it is only troubling to others the same applies when you are stupid). My advice would be ignore and let arter bloveate to himself. Just my opinion.

Dave Berlet

 

Flyer, Dave belies that you are stupid otherwise why would he suggest:to you what you have to do.??

Please tell us what the Bass Pro people think about release.

 

Who cares about Bass Pro. Almost everyone I know that is serious about competitive shooting do not buy their competition shotguns at Bass Pro.

 

BT, I like SKB's

 

Name one,, JUST ONE, "competitive shooter" that will admit they know you and tell us where he/she "buys" their guns.

If Bass Pro is the first place you thought of to purchase a shotgun, let alone a target shotgun, you have proved my point and shown us all that you really don't know anything about any type of shooting discipline.

 

The key words in Dave's post are "ignore" and "let arter bloveate to himself."

Do I have to translate for you again or can you figure that one out for yourself.

BTW art, you won't get under my skin with saying my posts are BS or implying that someone thinks I'm stupid. Dave might think it's a little silly of me for continuing to post on your ignorance, hence the line "let arter bloveate to himself", but I'm laid up with this new hip and don't have anywhere to go until the first week in April so making you look stupid won't be a problem for at least another month.

 

Which target model SKB do you shoot? Do you need help finding a company to install your release?

 

After reading my entire post highlighting all of your off the wall comments about "worldwide release trigger guns" Pro Bass (that one hurt didn't it?) and implying that release triggers were NOT safe the ONLY thing you can counter with on the other post is the fact that you didn't know the name was BASS PRO?

C'mon art, if this is going to be any fun you have to do better. Ignoring all of my questions that you can't answer and going for just your obvious screw ups ( God, we could start with the first post) isn't going to be as entertaining for the gang as you thought when you started this fishing expedition.

OK, I'll throw you a ballsoft. Just reply to the RELEASE TRIGGERS ARE NOT SAFE comment you posted.

I'll wait, like I said, I don't have to be anywhere until April.

 

Someone once told me SKB stands for
" Shit Keeps Breaking"

 

Dog, I wouldn't go that far. I had a nice little 20 gauge Model 100 IC/MOD with 150 engraving that I used to use for grouse hunting. Never had any mechanical problems with it.
Those birds are very fast and I was always shooting behind them. UNTIL I had release triggers installed. Then I never missed another bird for 20 years. More than half I shot from the hip or one handed. With those release triggers all I had to do was point in the general direction or shoot at the noise and the birds fell. Did you see the movie The Bodyguard? I was like Kevin Costner in the scene where he was trying to shoot the guy in the dark. I would just close my eyes and wait for the bird to flush. Then, release the trigger and go pick up the bird. Costner would probable have hit the bad guy if he had a release trigger in that pistol.

Every grouse hunter I knew wanted to have the same triggers as mine. One guy went to PRO BASS and asked for it they could get one. They said that a company memo was sent out that only one other person ever asked for a release trigger and they thought it was a joke so they couldn't help him. They wouldn't divulge his name when I asked but they did give me a bunch of letters to try and decipher. They did say that the entire company at PRO BASS got a chuckle out of the guys foolishness.

They did say that he purchased something from the fishing department. Muttered something about trolling.

I remember once I was falling off a cliff and had to shoot behind me and over my head but it didn't matter, the bird was dead as a doornail. Unfortunately the fall broke the release triggers and I never hit another bird.

The grouse population here in PA has dropped drastically in the past few years so that stopped me from have new releases installed. I don't go anymore due to the lack of birds. The game commission is blaming a host of things but I think PRO BASS must have started to sell release triggers and since they are much more superior to pull triggers I think that is what wiped out the grouse population.​

 

Flyer,
Never have grouse hunted before.
We don't have them in Missouri.
They did try stocking ruffed grouse here 30 years or so ago but they just didn't take.
I have shot a few woodcock though when quail hunting. They're pretty fast.
I bird hunted with a 20 gauge Remington 1100 with a pull trigger.
Maybe if I'd have had a Bass Pro release trigger in that old 1100, I'd have killed more birds!

 

Flyer a question that I have for arter since this has turned to a fishing post is it permissible to use a release trigger on your spinning reels? I'm afraid that the fish wouldn't have a chance. Only the suckers could survive!

Dave Berlet

 

YEP, it's a proven fact. Release triggers are much more superior to pull triggers.

 

Dave,
Funny you should ask. Release triggers on spinning reels have been around for quite a long time. I'm sure you owned a Zebco spin caster at one time, we all did. Think about it, you push the "trigger" down and hold it, when you are ready to cast(fire) you let it go.

THAT is the main reason you don't see them on the PRO BASS circuit. They make catching fish so much easier that the governing body of the PRO BASS organization outlawed them years ago. I would be willing to bet that Bass Pro sells them if you wanted one.

While you are in there stop at the Gun department. I think they might now be selling release triggers for shotguns.

 

It snowed again here last night and this is the perfect way to spend the morning.

Thanks art for starting this with that silly first post. I'll bet you never thought it would turn into a funny "look how dumb art sounds" thread when you came up with the bait.

 

Every shot I made on a Grouse on a flush, was the best shot I've ever made. My best Grouse and Woodcock dog was my German Wirehaired Pointing Griffon...Only if I had a release in my Parker sxs.

 

Dog, from a little research I just did I discovered that years ago Missouri used to have a very large population of Grouse. The state didn't know for sure what caused their decimation but I think it had to do with two main contributors.

The opening of PRO BASS stores and them selling release triggers.

 

Hey RVH, you reading this stuff? Man, could we tell them some stories about Grouse hunting.

 

Then again, I don't think PRO BASS sells one of America's best double guns.

 

I just called them and spoke to one of their "associates" in the gun department. I think his name was Art something or other. He said that he had been working there off and on for 2 weeks and was in the shoe department yesterday but he knew all about guns and hunting. I asked him if he had any American made side by sides in stock and he told me that unfortunately they were all out. Then he asked what an American made side by side was.

He said they did have side by side 4 wheelers and side by side snow sleds for kids and side by side tubes to pull behind your speed boat but nothing in the gun department. When I asked about release triggers he told me to call the fishing department and ask about Zebcos. Guess the guy really did know his stuff after all.

 

Flyer, One more thing I ask from you: which of my words "released" your verbal diarrhea ??

Honestly, you are a danger with or without release.!!! Please go and see a psychiatrist for your own good.

You scared the shit out of me like you "was pointing a gun ( release)" at me with your words.

I guess is a good thing to introduce the psychiatric exam for those who buy a gun. Here is an living example, Flyer.

 

"You scared the shit out of me like you "was pointing a gun ( release)" at me with your words."

I didn't mean to "scare" you art. Just pointing out the fact that you either were fishing, or really didn't have a clue about anything you have posted so far. Being "scared" by that might be a good reason to see a shrink yourself.

It's funny you should mention having a gun pointed at you. Remember that scene in Blazzing Saddles where Cleavon Little holds the gun to his own head to threaten the townsfolk? Now that was some funny stuff there.

"I guess is a good thing to introduce the psychiatric exam for those who buy a gun."

So you think that every potential gun purchaser should have a psychiatric exam before being "allowed" to buy a firearm?

In an earlier post I asked you "What country are you from and where in the world did you learn to speak and write English".
Your answer was, Upstate NY. Canada.

Upstate NY is not a country. The liberal Dems in NY might want to make it so but I don't think they will succeed.

Now, if you mixed up the order of your answer like you did with PRO BASS ( that might be something you want to get looked at) and you meant to say that you were from Canada and you learned to speak and write English in Upstate NY that would explain a lot. I definitely would not recommend the person that taught you to write it and if you speak the same way (backwards) you need a refresher course.

Here in the United States we believe in the 2nd amendment and would fight tooth and nail against your suggestion. On the other hand, a psychiatric exam might be needed before someone comes on here and posts something like that.
It is an affront to all of us that own and shoot firearms.

What country did you immigrate from when you moved to Canada?

 

God bless you Flyer.!

 

Dumnezeu să te binecuvânteze și pe tine art

 

Flyer,
Now we have to have a graph and a chart and most definitely a uncensored translation!

 

Flyer, no offence , what is this:

"Dumnezeu să te binecuvânteze și pe tine art"

Are you OK?

 

I'm fine, thanks.
What country did you immigrate from when you moved to Canada? I figured I would try a few different languages to make you feel at home here in the states.

 

Nothing that had to be censored.

 

Flyer, you are kind. Keep trying

 

I find this whole thread amusing. Trolling for trolls. And the newby brings in the the whole school voraciously fighting for the win.
Obviously, if Artur is so damn superior with a release he otta get one and kick all ATA shooters butts. But his specialty is trolling.
Now from a substantive point of view, I love release triggers and actually think they do provide an advantage. A modern advantage. But I would not use one if I did not have to. The best historical shooters in history didn't use em. But we Americans have made some really, really good release triggers in the last 30 or so years. But Americans have always been the best inventors and innovators in guns. John M. Browning alone can kick any European gun inventor's butt.
And I think it is Italian chicken sh*t that they don't allow them in Olympic bunker trap. But they don't want to shoot against "girls" either.