Wasted 6 years

Spent 6 years trying to shoot an high rib on my Infinity-about 4 months ago put the original rib and comb on the gun--then about 2 months ago I met, up with Dean Debow, he looked @ my Infinity, adjusted it to shoot about 140%--well I'm shooting good again
Dean said guns with a trigger that's as fast as an Infinity's cannot be shot the same way as a P or a K gun-give me about 2 to 3 thousand more targets & I'll be back in the saddle again--

 

140% high??? really

 

635G,

What was the POI set at with the high rib and high comb?

 

80/20 and was shooting lousy, very inconsistent

Put the original rib all the way down to 100% and added 3/8" of washers--all breaks are now vapor and moves to rights & lefts are smooth & consistent had to make the LOP 1/4" longer with the original rib--

 

Also, with the original rib & comb the Infinity is now 9lbs 6 oz vs 10 lbs 4 oz with high rib & comb

 

635G,
I am glad you found something that is working for you.

 

3/8 raise should have moved your POI up about 12". figure 2" for each 1/16" raised is the common theory i believe.

 

100%= 15" + 6/16"(com raise) , do the math--the rib alone was 100%-- numbers are useless unless it works and its working--my scores have gone up two classes---from C to A, on my last 500 targets and there is room for improvement

 

glad is working for you. There is no wrong way to break a target.

 

Inconsistent shooting comes from the shooter, not from the gun.

 

I have to disagree, going from 88 to 96 consistently , was the gun-I was not comfortable & the gun timing was way off, was missing targets if though I was poiningt correctly--haven't changed a thing in my shooting style-- I was shooting under the targets due to the speed of the trigger- An Infinity trigger is 3 x faster than a Silver Seitz

 

Do you mean you was shooting over them?

 

i was shooting under them, shooting at them before they could rise into my pattern

 

Then you were shooting over them...?

 

How does anyone shoot a gun that’s 140% high!?
What happens if you go to a club with flat targets?

 

Point under the target & they vanish-if you didn't know Infinity lock time is .0005, a Silver Seitz lock time is .0015,

all I know its working

 

And that is all that matters.

 

Phil,
Years ago, when I first got it, I set my Ljutic PRO-3 to shoot about 140% high. Works well for me on 27yd targets. My problem is that for singles I can not lower POI below 80/20 or all I see is back of receiver. At 80/20 I have to hold too far under singles birds to "smoke em'. Still searching for the perfect gun. And believe me, I have tried and owned most of them. Beginning to wonder if there is such a thing. So far, The PRO-3 comes the closest.
Marc

 

Marc, there's a Selka stainless--with a release for sale @ Indiana gun club, asking $10k, might be the magic gun--all I know my set up is smoking all targets, now even when I play from the 27, yes I play from the 27

 

Phil,
I bought two Silver Seitz I will try when health permits. My BP goes way low when I stand for more than a couple of minutes (orthostatic hypotension). Looks like I will have to lose weight and exercise.

The problem I have with most Ljutics is that, for me, they are too heavy in front. I like a faster swinging gun, much like a Perazzi TM series. I have about six Ljutics and for me the best two are the PRO-3 followed by a X-73. Why not shoot a TM? I have several and compared to the Ljutic the TM's feel like toys. No offense to the P-Gun crowd. Perazzi's took me to AA and the 27. I just moved on to what I feel is a better match for me.

Are you still active at RR? Will try to come over soon. Marc

 

Shoot @ RR 2-3 times weekly, Tom puts out umbrellas to help with the heat-- normally done by 10:30 am--to hot after that, shot about a month ago @ Flagler--forgot about the morning sun there, ugh

 

Who measures lock time on triggers and does anyone know what kind of tool they use to do it ? I would love to see a super slow motion video of the process.

 

Dennis DeVault had an electronic tester-thats how I got the info--
one of his tests was he time an Infinity with a AA @ 1145 fps vs a Silver Seitz with a Winchester @ 1250--the AA's wad exited ahead of the handicap shell, besides lock time the interior finish of the Infinity helped

 

I would have thought he would have used the SAME brand and FPS shell, length of barrel (?) for both tests.

I still don't buy this Lock Time test. In my opinion someone would have to install clear side plates and use the slow motion camera as stated above by Patch2.

Not doubting Dennis, but I think that particular test has flaws.

 

Can anyone honestly sense one or two m/s difference when shooting?

 

Yes you can. I shot 1100’s for a long time then had Dennis make me a MachOne. The difference in lock time was huge. It took a season for me to get onto the lock time. After I did it was great. And yes the faster the lock time the higher the gun needs to shoot IMO.

 

Okay, how is lock time determined?
Lock time is from which event to which event?
Is this standardized?
How does an "electronic tester" receive its inputs in order to measure time between events?
Or is published lock time just a gun designer's best guess?

 

From the time you trip the trigger until ignition of primer is lock time to me.

 

I said INconsistency came from the shooter. Guns are consistent. Shooters...many times....are not.

 

Now that I getting into the zone, other shooters have commented that I'm shooting much faster--

The reason I was told by coach is , I've got confidence--that I'm not going to miss--

 

Just some facts here: pick up a new gun with a different trigger speed and you will have trouble for a few shoots. BUT, after a few shots (maybe as much as a full round) even my little brain will adjust to the trigger and I'll be smoking targets. Changing the point of impact is a different matter. Don't matter what the POI you shoot is but changing it can take many thousand targets to adjust to the new POI. The last time I tried to change my POI I gave up after a few years and went back to the POI that was imbedded into my head.