Should registered trapshooting orgs charge youth user fees?

Should registered trapshooting organizations charge the youth shooter fees?

 

I think some fees are needed, maybe paid for through donations/grants from ATA or DNR
Gary Bryant Dr.longshot

 

yes

 

I agree they should pay to shoot but at a very discounted rate. To hook someone long term, the more they (parents) can afford to partake, the more likely the kids will hook themselves.

How much does it cost a club to throw 100 targets as a perspective toward gaining a potential long term customer down the road? It's an investment in their future sales. Once mom and dad bow out of the financial picture of their kids shooting, the kids will find a way on their own to shoot once hooked.

HAP

 

User fees as in the fee on top of target cost....silly. jmho

 

The user fees stated in the programs are just a break down of the target costs due to several states looking for more money. There are several states that nailed gun clubs and at least one state organization for back taxes because they couldn't prove what was exempt on the amount of income they took in because it wasn't itemized on their programs.

 

I think the op is referring to ATA and State types of user fees. I did not think PITA charges user fees or am I wrong?

 

My local club(s) never charge as much for the youth. ATA charging for youth fees? Must need more money for guns or Sparta.

 

Whats the deal then? Less fees per 100 for youth shooters? If so why would that be something to frown upon?

 

Leonidas-did you write something wrong? Doesn't make sense. Who is saying charging youth less is something to be frowned upon?

 

Not if you are promoting the use of guns and trapshooting.

 

re read my last sentence, I'm asking why would that be something to be frowned upon.

 

Leonidas...Confused me too. Do you mean why would charging user fees to youth be frowned upon?

 

Less fees per hundred for youth----Why would that be frowned upon.

 

No one said charging less was frowned upon.

The op asked if the trapshooting orgs should charge user fees for youth shooters.

 

These bumpkins at the top shoot themselves in the foot as soon as the gun is loaded. Somebody justify charging the youth userfees for me.

 

What fees are we discussing here. ATA and State daily fees? Home grounds fees? Maintenance fees?

 

Our youth team shoots 10 cent targets, free Friends of the NRA shells, and pay the state and ATA fees themselves. 100 targets for $15.00, fees included.

 

IG >which of those would you like to charge the youths?

 

10 votes to charge youths fees on top of targets but no justification. trolls?

 

JG, since we're answering questions with questions.....how much should our youth pay for targets? Do you really think a dollar or two a day is going to keep them in the game any longer?

 

I have 3 kids I take and a neighbor boy that don't have much. Iowa if it aint much send me a few hundred to take care of some fees. Unless those funds should stay in the free gun kitty.

 

It might. Isn't that the point or do you need the kids lunch money.

 

Iowa guy

Guessing you are a delegate that has a better way to spend the money.

 

JG, no way it keeps them in the game. 200 target day at most clubs is running $45-60 before these dastardly daily fees ($5 or so). Yeah, that extra 5er is real burden.

Free gun kitty. That's comical too.

Let's do away with the ATA daily fee altogether, for everyone.

 

RT justify what? Where did I ever state I supported any fees? I simply asked if removing the fees would keep kids in the game.

Why don't you put up some realistic idea how no fees would help.

 

Rt, what happened to your post asking me to justify fees? Couldn't find where I supported them so you edited it with the delegate comment. No I'm not a delegate.

Well here's what I support. I think the kids should pay whatever fees are charged to adults. I would like to see more clubs offer reduced target cost to the youth. I think reduced target youth should be eligible to play purses and options.

Reduced target costs would have a greater impact than daily fees. I'm not suggesting clubs should throw targets at a loss. I think they could charge the youth slightly more than their practice price. I know when my son was younger we'd favor clubs with youth rates for ATA targets.

 

IG,

I am just using your post as it had both target and daily in it. My post is not directed at anyone specific.

I don't think you can waive daily fees, at least not ATA daily fees.

A. REGISTERED SHOOTS
1. The ATA governs the conduct of all shoots registered with it. Only clubs affiliated with their State/Provincial Association will be permitted to hold registered shoots.
2. To constitute a registered shoot the following requirements must be met:
a. all contestants must be current or life members of ATA at the time of
their entry, and
b. each contestant must pay an ATA daily registration fee of $3.00 for
each day of competition at each shooting location ($1.50 fee for
Big 50 events), and such Zone or State Association fees as may be charged, and
c. at least three (3) or more contestants must compete in and complete
the same event on the same day of competition.

The only thing that can be reduced is the target and option fees.

2. All shooters must be charged the same target and option fees. An
exception may be made for special category shooters, (i.e., charging
Junior and Sub-Junior shooters half price).

I could be wrong.

John

 

Each club should negotiate their ntarget fees with the management, to see how much savings can be offered to the youth.

My gun club has 2 sporting clay events a year where the IDNR pays for shells and free targets , also includes ladies and we have big turnouts.

I know this is not ATA shooting nor is it NSCA, we get a lot of shooters shooting buddy shoots, and they come week after week
Gary Bryant DLS

 

What happened to the millions in the bank? We need the money from the children that may get hooked or is it about more money for ATA execs traveling expense?

 

I always had to pay my own way back when I started shooting but I think thats just the way it was when I was growing up . I got my son started and he just lost interest because his friends were not into shooting, not sure how many even tried ... We had a bunch of kids that used to come out to the Old Phoenix Club and for the most part they shot for very little other than some chores around the club, the club picked up a lot of the cost per the Board at the time , even gave one kid the gun (Remington 1100) he ran his first 25 straight with ... Most of the parents would comment on how much it cost, those are the ones who you didn't see for long ... I feel that kids need an incentive and guidance to help them along the way be it shooting or whatever they choose to do ... There can be something by design to assist them and try to keep them interested but feel they need to be involved in it in some way so they can contribute in some way to get the offset ... I would pay extra on my entry's if there was a way to make sure it went for the intended purpose and nothing else ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

Pops used to drop me off at a small shaggy golf course when I was 8-12 at 7:00 am. Monday and Wednesday the owner/pro gave the youths free lessons.

If we behaved we got a drink and a ham sandwich. Then we golfed 18 holes for less than half price. We were the most polite golfers on the course. The local team placed at the state golf tournament regularly then for years.

Owner became a multi-millionaire off us and those that followed.

 

Short sightedness and greed comes to mind.

 

Why would you assume all "youth" is in need of some type of help ?????

There are 'youth-shooters' out there shooting high-end combo guns, riding around on 10k golf-cars, shooting every
event in the program, without much need for any assistance.

So ... do you qualify for reduced or eliminated "fees" ... who decides what economic level is in need .... and at
what age are you no longer a "youth" .... in need ?????

The idea of getting "youth" ... "hooked" on something out of their economic comfort zone is silly. They would do
better to invest in education to put themselves in a better position to afford their passion in later years.

Stop with the easy targets for cheap scores, cut-rates to try and 'keep' shooters, and an award for everyone ... it
doesn't help ...

 

The term "hooked" isn't the proper wording to use describing a developing love of the game for youngsters. It's their love of the game that will eventually bring them back into our sport once they earn expendable income as adults.

There may be a lot of youth out there that couldn't possibly afford any of the shooting games but we should at least give them a taste as youngsters. They may come back once they're earning their own way in life with a decent job should be the real goal?

I don't think we should worry too much about those that can afford the "K" gun combos except offer the reduced target fees unless they want to play options. Reduced target fees, NO OPTIONS, period!

I don't believe in easy targets either except for training raw beginners the basics, in practice only and certainly not in a registered format.

I have more opinions on those that can afford their kids all the training and shooting they can stand with top of the line equipment and travels but will stop here.

HAP

 

"The term "hooked" isn't the proper wording to use describing a developing love of the game for youngsters." ?????? really ????? .... "To hook someone long term, the more they (parents) can afford to partake, the more likely the kids will hook themselves." ????? Your "term", not mine .....

On a 'local' level people can pitch-in and help the local youth that may show interest.

But .... on a State and National level it is a pay to play world. 'Poor' people have no business spending money for travel and shells to shoot targets at "reduced target fees". You can sit back and hope that the "Great Society" makes it's way to ATA Trapshooting ... but it is not going to happen.

The idea of having better things in life is to get people to work hard to achieve them .... not bring things down to a more socially acceptable level.

If .... little ???? comes from a family that needs help for little ???? to shoot registered targets .... there should be something in place for possible help. Not something that says little ???? comes from a family with more than enough money to support little ????'s shooting, but they get a discount so we can give a discount to someone who may need it. Because the discount is going to go to more people who do not need it, than people who may need it.

Let people help who they feel may need help ..... if you force them to pay more so some smart-a$$ kid that just about ran over someone in one of the parking lots at the Grand, going too fast on Mom/Dad's golf-car, can shoot "reduced target fees" ..... it is just one more nail in the coffin of ATA Trapshooting.

Stop trying to 'better' something that was doing much better without all the 'feel-good' things to improve it.

Cheap scores .... cheap yardage .... cheap reductions .... cheap awards for almost everyone .... cheap target fees for young shooters, need it or not .... anyone see a pattern that is NOT working ?????

 

Give the kids a break. We need shooters if for no reason other than to help us keep our power to own guns. This is not just about making money for the shooting orgs. They have plenty of money.

This is about the future of gun ownership also. Feed the kids and you can keep your guns in the future.

 

It is a far stretch from "our power to own guns", to giving "kids a break" that shoot 5-figure shotguns and drive 5-figure golf cars.

Some "youth" showed appreciation for the future of gun ownership, by killing rabbits and shooting out-houses because they were bored.

Seems like people appreciate the things they work hard for more than things that go with the silver-spoon.

Give any "kid" help you feel may need it, but ALL "kids" do not need and/or deserve it.

 

I heard the OSTA gives the kids a $10 rebate.

 

It is hard to determine who is in need and who is not, in order not to discriminate against any youth the rebate (USUALLY THE COST OF TARGETS) is given to all youth shooters, again usually the youth given the reduced target cost are not allowed to play the options. Those that feel they have the ability and can afford to play the options will not require the reduced target fee. This supposed problem usually solves itself.

 

With the ATA having to build another facility we need more user fees.

 

Kid wants to shoot parents want them to shoot why in the world should I have to support it.
We had a sheriffs department shoot at our club kids are shooting guns that most can never afford and I should subsidize their shooting.

 

Illinois subsidizes trapshooting. Some of those getting subsidized are millionaires.