Navy to name carrier after a Black sailor

IMHO, this is the height of political correctness and catering to a minority for nothing but vote gathering

The navy will name its newest carrier after a black sailor who manned a machine gun on Dec 7,1941

I'm a retired navy submariner, its no major achievement to defend your self when battle stations are manned

Heroic action, usually mean a destroyer might be named , but never a cabal ship

 

Meant to say capital ship

 

I saw that last night and thought along the same lines.

Dorie Miller was awarded a medal by Adm. Nimitz for his actions on that day and that is, IMO, a well deserved recognition.
If you read the story you will see that even then there were "political" reasons. Our government, in all their wisdom, wanted to honor someone of the "negro race" as they called it, to get the people of the same color to back the war effort.

Remember, this is the same government that made a deal with Luck Luciano( murderer) to keep the docks open and to gain information for the invasion of Sicily. It's ALWAYS about the politics.

TODAY? You are correct in that the "politically correct" government is trying to garner more votes but by using a bigger and "better" award. Tear down all the Confederate statues across the country (as in HISTORICAL Monuments) and make people feel good by awarding a person of color a place in Naval history.

A ship? OK

A Ford Class carrier? I don't think so

I would be willing to bet there were more than a few men that did EXACTLY what Dorie Miller did that morning. Maybe more.

It will be seven or eight years until this happens, IF it happens, and as we know a lot can happen in that many years.

 

635G,
You just might have given the left an idea when you typed "cabal" instead of capitol.

A cabal is a group of people united in some close design, usually to promote their private views or interests in an ideology, state, or other community, often by intrigue and usually unbeknownst to those outside their group.

Of course they would have to name it after one of the new left wing congress women. OAC maybe?
I'm thinking a garbage scow would be an appropriate vessel.

 

Typical demorat bullshit.

He was probably a fine man.

That's not the point.

Have ever seen anything awarded to Audie Murphy or any other Medal of Honor recipient.

I haven't.

Men that saved other soldier's in the heat of battle.

This is not about color, it's about a political stance to use race as a crutch.

Just like today.

What did MLK actually do other than being an adulterer, as reported by his on race.

More bullshit from weak, do nothing politicians paid for by the tax paying citizens.

That's why a coward ass demorat hate's the President.

He does what he says he's going to do, he doesn't lie and steal, he doesn't have to.

He made it as a business man.

Show me a rich politician and I'll show you a thief and liar.

 

What, you guys think a black man can not be a brave,selfless American hero?
You guys are a either flat out racists or do a good approximation of being one.
Congratulations.
Why don't you keep this crap between you and your like minded friends and off of public platforms.

 

Doesn't bother me in the least bit. The man did serve & apparently fought hard as many did that day.
I have far greater things to worry about. Could be worse, they could have named it the Obama,

 

You live in California don't you?

Please show me where I said,

I think "a black man can not be a brave, selfless American hero?"

From an article in World War ll magazine about the medal being awarded to Miller right after the attack.

"He deserves his niche in the pantheon of American heroes, for he provided an immeasurably important symbol for black Americans in their struggle for desegregation and equal opportunity — not only in the armed forces, but throughout the breadth of American society."

THAT was the "politically correct" thing back then.

Miller was awarded the Navy Cross for his action. Deservedly so IMO. But a Ford Class aircraft carrier named after him?
THAT is 2020 political correctness.

How about naming a Carrier after one of the 14 MOH winners from that day?

 

Medal of Honor
Pharmacist’s Mate First Class Francis J. Pierce United States Navy

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while attached to the 2d Battalion, 24th Marines, 4th Marine Division during the Iwo Jima campaign on 15 and 16 March 1945. Almost continuously under fire while carrying out the most dangerous volunteer assignments, Petty Officer Pierce gained valuable knowledge of the terrain and disposition of troops. Caught in heavy enemy rifle and machinegun f ire which wounded a corpsman and two of the eight stretcher bearers who were carrying two wounded Marines to a forward aid station on 15 March, he quickly took charge of the party, carried the newly wounded men to a sheltered position, and rendered first aid. After directing the evacuation of three of the casualties, Petty Officer Pierce stood in the open to draw the enemy's fire and, with his weapon blasting, enabled the litter bearers to reach cover. Turning his attention to the other two casualties, he was attempting to stop the profuse bleeding of one man when a Japanese fired from a cave less than 20 yards away and wounded his patient again. Risking his own life to save his patient, Petty Officer Pierce deliberately exposed himself to draw the attacker from the cave and destroyed him with the last of his ammunition. Then lifting the wounded man to his back, he advanced unarmed through deadly rifle fire across 200 feet of open terrain. Despite exhaustion and in the face of warnings against such a suicidal mission, Petty officer Pierce again traversed the same fire-swept path to rescue the remaining Marine. On the following morning, he led a combat patrol to a sniper nest and, while aiding a stricken marine, was seriously wounded. Refusing aid for himself, he directed treatment for the casualty, at the same time maintaining protective fire for his comrades. Completely fearless, completely devoted to the care of his patients, Petty Officer Pierce inspired the entire battalion. By his inspiring valor, steadfast perseverance, and selfless dedication to duty, Petty Officer Pierce reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

 

"Robert Augustus Sweeney (February 20, 1853 – December 19, 1890) was a sailor in the United States Navy and is one of only nineteen servicemen, and the only African American, to receive the Medal of Honor twice, both for peace-time actions."

This guy dove overboard to save a drowning sailor.

TWICE

 

And John Basilone & Chesty Puller only had destroyers named after them, big difference from a Ford class carrier,

 

I wasn't using "that day" to mean, as they say, Back in the day. I meant THAT day. From a little research 15 people were awarded the MOH for their actions on 12/7/1941

Rear Admiral Issac C. Kidd died on the bridge of his flagship USS Arizona that day and was awarded the MOH. They were building as many carriers as they could back then and a MOH recipient had a Fletcher class Destroyer named after him.

AND, this will be the SECOND ship named after Doris Miller.

USS Doris Miller (CVN-81) is a future Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier of the United States Navy.[2][3] Doris Miller is scheduled to be laid down in 2023, launched in 2028, and commissioned in 2030.

The ship will honor Messman Third Class Doris Miller who received the Navy Cross for his actions during the attack on Pearl Harbor.[4] It will be the second ship named in his honor, the first being the destroyer escort USS Miller (FF-1091

 

Jump back in anytime jakearoo and tell me how my thinking is "racist" because a Navy cross winner, who ALREADY was honored buy having a ship named after him, should have a second. Let alone having it be a carrier.

 

Jakie is a commiefornia lawyer.

Nuff said.

Typical demorat coward.

To him, everyone is a racist if they have an opinion that is not liberal and demorat.

He can't stand the truth.

Go cry and whine Jakie, San Francisco is waiting for you.

 

From your post(s):

"If you read the story you will see that even then there were "political" reasons. Our government, in all their wisdom, wanted to honor someone of the "negro race" as they called it, to get the people of the same color to back the war effort."

"From an article in World War ll magazine about the medal being awarded to Miller right after the attack.

He deserves his niche in the pantheon of American heroes, for he provided an immeasurably important symbol for black Americans in their struggle for desegregation and equal opportunity — not only in the armed forces, but throughout the breadth of American society." How nice of you to quote another racist from the era. He deserved the medal because he was an f...ing HERO not because he was a symbol of "black Americans."

THAT was the "politically correct" thing back then. So, not racist, just a nod that blacks deserve a dot in history just for being there, eh?

Miller was awarded the Navy Cross for his action. Deservedly so IMO. But a Ford Class aircraft carrier named after him?
THAT is 2020 political correctness. Yea, damn that political correctness. If he wasn't black, he wouldn't even get a nod, right?

"I'm thinking a garbage scow would be an appropriate vessel." Nice sentiment Flyer.

By the way, I ain't gonna engage in this conversation any more. But I will leave you with this, why are you so outraged that a black man who "In Your Opinion" deserved a Navy Cross" got a carrier named after him. You want to look at all the carrier's names and make sure all of them meet your criteria or just the one named after a black hero? Gee, I wonder why.

 

I didn't quote "another racist". That quote is from WWll magazine, a sister publication to the Navy magazine.

The garbage scow ship was in reference to a "cabal" ship named after the left wing nut job, and someone that you sound like you support, OAC. I can't say what I really think about her and her "freshmen" left wing whackos because it would get deleted. You DO live in california don't you? Geeezzzzz, you sound just like one of them.

Why didn't you copy and paste the part about the fact that he already had a ship named after him?

Hell, you copied my post and then ignored the very question you copied. That does make you look a little foolish don't ya think?

You can run away from the conversation but it doesn't change the FACT that this was a "politically correct" stunt.

I'll leave YOU with this. If you are going to cut and paste any of my posts do it correctly. You either left out parts of it on purpose? (something a left wing liberal would do) OR you are just not too bright. If you want to argue with me you have to get better at it.

And IF you ARE a lawyer as someone claimed in an earlier post, well, that explains everything.

 

No African American was awarded a Medal of Honor either during World War II or immediately afterwards with respect to their actions during that conflict. This changed in 1992 when a study conducted by Shaw University and commissioned by the U.S. Dept. of Defense and the United States Army asserted that systematic racial discrimination had been present in the criteria for awarding medals during the war. After an exhaustive review of files the study recommended that several of the Distinguished Service Crosses awarded to African Americans be upgraded to the Medal of Honor. On January 13, 1997, more than fifty years after the end of the war, President Bill Clinton awarded the Medal to seven African-American World War II veterans. Vernon Baker was the only living recipient—the other six men had been killed in action or died in the intervening years.

Doris Miller was not selected from the list of candidates.

Vernon Baker was selected.

First Lieutenant Vernon J. Baker
UNITED STATES ARMY

Medal of Honor Citation:

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty: First Lieutenant Vernon J. Baker distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism in action on 5 and 6 April 1945. At 0500 hours on 5 April 1945, Lieutenant Baker advanced at the head of his weapons platoon, along with Company C's three rifle platoons, towards their objective, Castle Aghinolfi - a German mountain strong point on the high ground just east of the coastal highway and about two miles from the 370th Infantry Regiment's line of departure. Moving more rapidly than the rest of the company, Lieutenant Baker and about 25 men reached the south side of a draw some 250 yards from the castle within two hours. In reconnoitering for a suitable position to set up a machine gun, Lieutenant Baker observed two cylindrical objects pointing out a slit in a mount at the edge of a hill. Crawling up and under the opening, he stuck his M-1 into the slit and emptied the clip, killing the observation post's two occupants. Moving to another position in the same area, Lieutenant Baker stumbled upon a well-camouflaged machine gun nest, the crew of which was eating breakfast. He shot and killed both enemy soldiers. After Captain John F. Runyon, Company C's Commander joined the group, a German soldier appeared from the draw and hurled a grenade which failed to explode. Lieutenant Baker shot the enemy soldier twice as he tried to flee. Lieutenant Baker then went down into the draw alone. There he blasted open the concealed entrance of another dugout with a hand grenade, shot one German soldier who emerged after the explosion, tossed another grenade into the dugout and entered firing his sub-machine gun killing two more Germans. As Lieutenant Baker climbed back out of the draw, enemy machine gun and mortar fire began to inflict heavy casualties among the group of 25 soldiers, killing or wounding about two-thirds of them. When expected reinforcements did not arrive, Captain Runyon ordered a withdrawal in two groups. Lieutenant Baker volunteered to cover the withdrawal of the first group, which consisted mostly of walking wounded, and to remain to assist in the evacuation of the more seriously wounded. During the second group's withdrawal, Lieutenant Baker, supported by covering fire from one of the platoon members, destroyed two machine gun positions (previously bypassed during the assault) with hand grenades. In all, Lieutenant Baker accounted for nine enemy dead soldiers, elimination of three machine gun positions, an observation post, and a dugout. On the following night, Lieutenant Baker voluntarily lead a battalion advance through enemy mine fields and heavy fire toward the division objective. Lieutenant Baker's fighting spirit and daring leadership were an inspiration to his men and exemplify the highest traditions of the military service.

So, Jake, Doris Miller didn't make the cut. Tell me, why did Doris Miller get bumped to the head of the list?

 

Using jakearoo's standards clinton must be a racist.
I knew he was a lying, cheating, two faced democrat but wasn't aware he was also a racist.

 

He, I'm sure was a brave man. But, just like Colin Powell he's a token to the Black minority (39,000,000 + American Blacks or 12% of the population.) A feel good hero. A political statement of fairness, a do good thing. That's all it is.

 

Gee Bama, Do you think that a group that is 12% of the population might, just might, actually have a person or two who earn an accolade rather than just being given one as a "token?"
Can you tell me any black man you think earned something like a high political appointment or position like high ranking General or Admiral (like Colin Powell or Coneoleezza Rice) or a medal or honor or a significant place or ship or something named after them who deserved it?

 

The key word is deserved, rather than given a position or accolade as a result of needing that individual to satisfy some minority groups desire for political necessity or court requirement. George Carver was one of the worlds greatest inventors, working with almost nothing, Jacky Robinson broke the color barrier in America's game. Setting the stage for all minorities to be professional athletes. Do they deserve a Capital ship named after them? Capital Ships (especially Carriers) are generally named for great Battles, States, significant incidents, or Presidents. Persons or incidents that have the prestige to be on the bow of great warships for all the world to see. Not petty officers that carried his Captain to safety and manned a machinegun. Why not name the ship Pearl Harbor? Oh! we lost that battle, along with the Petty officer.....I rest my case Jake!

 

The ship should be named The U.S.S. Donald J. Trump. He has done more for blacks in the last 3 years than the entire democrat party has done for blacks since the Civil War.

A hero is a hero, but some heroic deeds are more heroic than others. In the long Blue and Gray line of Great American Heroes, Doris Millers actions, though heroic, are by comparison insignificant. So, Jake, I'll ask you one more time, why was Doris Miller pushed to the top of the list?

 

"Show me a rich politician and I'll show you a thief and liar."

Wait,.......What?

 

Just so you don't get confused, Mr. Trump is a citizen, NOT a politician. OK???

 

Really???? Wow, where are you from?

 

I'm sorry you're still confused. I was just trying to help. Have a nice day.

 

I suppose the "right" heros are like that high ranking Audie Murphy (I think he made lieutenant before the war ended), cited above by Ljutic, as someone who should have more recognition for his heroism. I guess he had the rank for it, eh?

And, I suppose you think Carl Vinson and John Stennis (Senators from from Georgia and Mississippi who both STRONGLY supported segregation and were a signatories to the "Southern Manifesto" urging resistance to the Brown v. Board of Education decision) were both "deserving" of having Carriers named after them. I mean, they were "brave" men who "fought" in "great battles" eh?

And, thanks for the list of Black Americans (of the 12% of the population, right?) who you think deserve (as opposed to being "given") a position or accolade. I guess there is no such person who ever lived. Just those lucky blacks who were "given" recognition as a political feel good measure.

So, thanks for "resting your case Bama.

And I mine, Bama. And I, mine.

 

A hero is a hero, but some heroic deeds are more heroic than others. In the long Blue and Gray line of Great American Heroes, Doris Millers actions, though heroic, are by comparison insignificant. So, Jake, I'll ask you one more time, why was Doris Miller pushed to the top of the list?

 

Rank has nothing to do with the MOH, you coward ass ambulance chaser.

Like I said before, xxxxx, get your ass to San Francisco where you belong.

 

Gee Luke. Can't I live where I want to? Ain't this a free country anymore? Can't I shoot my guns at the club I choose?

And, you make more than a few assumptions in your adjective filled description of me (coward ass ambulance chaser) which you have no knowledge of and which are not correct.
But no worry, we don't have to interact. I think they have settings for that.
Cheers, Jake

 

As for as the settings,
I'd already made that decision.

 

Franky, Jake I don't care about Blacks one way or another. I only look at deeds. And Millers is far down the list as to be insignificant compared to Murphy's or York's. And neither have a Capitol ship named after them. As far as Stennis and Vinson are concerned they were great Navy supporters. As to if they supported segregation, once again I don't care, and apparently neither did the Navy. You seem a have a thing or vested interest for Black's. Have some in your families woodpile, do you? Maybe, a maloto grandkid or two?

 

And while you are at it jakearoo you can tell all of us "racists", you can veil it anyway you want but that is what you called us,

why they should name TWO ships after him.

 

Thing that pisses me off is the fact the TV ads are mostly BLACK oriented today. Why would you have 80% of your ads containing Blacks when only 12% of the population may even be watching ?

Just cramming this PC crap down our throats, and dividing this country racially even more.

 

New book being released today called "Human Diversity" by the same author the wrote the "Bell Curve." It sets the biological differences between male, female, and race. No speculations just proven biological facts. Should be interesting. The Bell Curve was certainly controversial. Maybe, Jake should read these books.

PC can only be taken so far or it may end up in the "Turner Diaries.".....LOL

 

Yea Bama, with his sorry azz old wife signing for him.

 

Well, ya got me. I've no idea what you're talking about?

 

Remember Jane Fonda, that sorry ass traitor during Nam. She's married to Ted Turner.

Both are snowflake demoRats

 

Look up USS Miller

 

Just saw on Military History, the story of a Mexican/American who threw his body on a grenade to save his team mates in Fallujah--he died, got the Navy Cross too and had a destroyer named after him USS Rafael Peralta DDG 115--job well done Marine --RIP--lot more than Doris Miller's efforts

What about Black History month, if for some unknown reason the politically correct idiots decided to celebrate Jewish achievements--there would have to be 365 days/ every year