Championship Series - At your club(s) Schedule an event.

Has the first shoot been Scheduled yet?

GB...............................DLS

 

They just announced the plan 10 or 11 days ago and we' re right in the middle of the holidays.
It's the day after Christmas and Santa has barely had time to take his boots off and pour himself a drink!

 

I was shooting yesterday, and did not hear it brought up in any conversation. Sounds like a very different approach. How did this originate, or who put it together?

 

Wow, 40° is wider than the ability of the old Wester White Flyer. If I recall correctly, the #5 hole setting only provided about a 30.5° angle.

The 3-hole always referred to the straight-away setting from Posts 1 and 5 (left and right angle) and that was approximately a 22° to 22.5° angle.

I think Vic Reinders said that his club drilled #6 hole in a V1524 for novelty events. I don't recall the angle in degrees.

 

HB: Ask Roger Covelski about Winchester 1524 angles, The #3 hole is the 45 degree angle, and then there is the #4 and #5 holes, the money shoots/Buddy Shoots shot wider angles, and they still do yet today.

GB..................................................DLS

 

From page 23 of the Pat Trap G model, most recent type:

 

From page 23 of the Pat Trap G model, most recent type:



They are of course referring to the extreme spread between right and left targets, not the angle from straightaway. This is one of the two conventional ways of describing the spread of targets (which I consider superior, as does, apparently, Pat Trap) since it is, in fact, the spread of the targets.

I only posted the information to correct an erroneous post which had appeared earlier with this text:

"6-7/8" cyl travel set by REED SWITCHES for a 3 hole 45 Degree angle setting 6-7/8" inches between angle reed switches
I got info from Pat Traps a 4-1/4 bar for 2 hole targets between reed switches."

Which, as you see, mixes up the travel numbers and the reed-switch spacing. The assumption of the poster was apparently that the travel and reed-switch numbers are the same and they aren't. I hope no one was confused by his error, or was prevented from entering his or her club in the Championship series thinking the birds would be too tough for his or her shooters.

N1H1

 

As if you really care.

No confusion on one thing that's for sure.

Dysinger was right, he had you pegged years ago.

 

Some of you guys are making a big to-do over nothing. The biggest complainers who worked to get the 3-hole target rescinded were the marathon shooters of which there were many in the 80's and 90's. They always managed to get the narrowest and shortest legal target at any club that held 'em. The rest of the shooters could care less which hole the trap was set. FYI, my ex-wife broke her one and only 100 straight Singles in over 24,000 the year 3-hole targets were mandatory at Elysburg. Most of these debates about 2 and 3 hole targets are meaningless and either target thrown would not affect top shooters at all. Kay Ohye's Handicap average went UP .5% on 3-holers.

 

Maybe someone here can tell us how easy/difficult to change pat traps or any traps, to the new angles for the new program. The ease of change may affect clubs willing to host shoots

 

The late great Frank Little used the word "trivia" quite often in his clinics and elsewhere. I suggest he was right.

 

Hey dawg, just curious, when you and Frank were running together did you go to the pigeon shoots with him too?

 

Actually no but I did run one shoot that both He and Kay attended. He spent quite a bit of his pigeon shooting career at Skis in Ottsville. Frank really wasn't the best live bird shooter. Of course, not many are.

 

Good luck with this project. I am sure it will start a bit slow. I think my kids will enjoy this.

 

Click on the second video down of the link below, and go to the 6:57 mark. Vic may well be showing what would seem to be a 90 degree total amount of travel in the angles. This may be the 6th hole you are talking about.

http://www.waukeshagunclub.org/

According to the ATA rules any targets furthest angle between a two hole and three hole target is legal from what I gather. 34 degrees to 45 degrees total amount of angle side to side. Any setting under, or over these numbers is an illegal setting for the furthest angle thrown. Though anything these days further than 18 degrees from center you will either hear the claim of an illegal target, or bitching they are chit targets at that club. We set ours at approx. 17.5 to 18 degrees from center. This way no matter the wind direction they are within the legal target range. These targets are measured by setting a pole up straight (bubble level) vertical 9' - 2 1/2" from the center 30 foot peg to each side measured 90 degrees horizontal to the center throw line. Birds are thrown until the birds no longer strike the pole (calm day). That is where they are set, and that is where they stay.

 

OK, most of you are talking about the total angle from left to right, whereas I've been using the minimum angle on the left side of the center stake and the minimum angle setting on the right side of the center stake.

Since Doc has often referred to the "Flights and Angles" rules from 1924, I assumed he meant 45° on each side of the center stake. Apparently, I was incorrect since it seems the 45° angle being discussed is the total angle.

According to Vic Reinders and Winchester Western, the #3 hole setting yielded a straight away from Posts 1 & 5, the minimum angle setting called for in the rulebook. This setting totaled 44°- 45°/

Here's the 1924 rules I assumed Doc was talking about. That's what I get for assuming.

HB

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Though it looks like 45 degrees from center would be correct from the 1924 rules. Total angle looks real close to 90 degrees. That would be real close to the trap walls of today. You would not want to stand where you would normally throw a target when disarming the trap of today. Might catch one in the coin purse.

It also looks as though the doubles birds were shot on a rotating trap. At minimum, very sharp angles were still legal settings. Interesting.

Those diagrams show some funky angles.

 

Yep. If you look at the doubles diagram the normal setting was 32° left and 32° right, totaling 64°.

Today, double targets are set 17° each side of the center stake, totaling 34°.

I've asked before, why would a sport be made easier when so many improvements were integrated? The many rule changes made in that effort is simply mind boggling. Just my view.

HB

 

The dumbing down of a once proud sport.

 

The same reason all my grandkids get a trophy for showing up too todays sports! What's happened to our competitive sprit? Everyone has to be a winner or they just quit.