Harlan's grasp safe with Dave Shaeffer's suspension

Ask him, he has no reason to not tell you, he pissed in some ones Cheerio's and got suspended ... That does not change the fact that the man is a talented shooter and a tough competitor ... There is probably bank manipulation going on much more than one would think, one of the perks of being a Big Dog ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

Is he a volunteer at the shoot like he does in FL?

 

I have been reminded that there are only few days before the Dave Schaeffer incident anniversary. PA should have a special event. I was thinking a gun toss.

 

Skinner, That is an accurate recitation. But it refers to witnesses who testify in court not to police informants.

 

John or Jane Doe lawsuits only keep the names of the plaintiffs from the public. The court and the defendants know who the plaintiff is. It requires a court order and the pleadings for it are filed under seal but are obviously available to the court and to the defendants.
RCC

 

Heck ..... I thought about going to "PA" this year, but ..... in the past year NO ONE has said what the "safe way" is to remove a "stuck hull in PA" ..... and I sure DO NOT want to piss-off a "100 pound woman" that may kick my ass in the parking lot .....

So ..... I just gathered up a bunch of paper to shoot in my backyard, then I can play connect the dots with crayons .....

 

He will be back on Aug 15 and I am sure he will know the other shooters in the squad from now on. I always shoot with friends because you can joke with them and some shooters are hard to shoot with and will not do any joking and it is not fun to shoot with them. I am not a good shooter but always know the other members in the squad -- Bob

 

I wonder if this is a similar technique used by Shaeffer to dislodge his shell.

Ker-thunk method. wiki-def Tapping the choke end of a shotgun barrel on concrete in an effort to dislodge a spent shot shell using all three of Newton's Laws of Physics.

 

59 days of suspension left. Countdown here.

 

LOOKING forward to seeing Diamond Dave shooting AGAIN.......................................TEAR EM UP

 

I have been thinking about the apology letter you may have to write following a suspension.

To make all this simpler we may need a form letter. A form letter with instructions. It could be the ATA has one. I don't see one on the forum. It could be like this --->

Dear ______________________ (insert sir or madam and name) (do not use names like jackass, proper names only.)

I am sorry for _______________________ (insert one of the following) hurting your feelings, endangering your life, acting like a jerk, shooting out of turn, ker-thunking my barrel on the concrete in anger or to loosen a shell, throwing my gun, getting caught cheating, challenging you to a fight in the parking lot, using improper adjective in front of your race, referring to your gender part with an improper adjective, mooning or displaying previously hidden body parts.

I am in need of ________________________. (insert one of the following) sensitivity training, anger management, intensive adult supervised probation, prison.

I plan to serve my time _________________. (insert one) reluctantly, with dignity, or with remorse.


I promise to be a better person in the future.

Respectully,

___________________ (insert your name)


Imagine what past letters would look like.

 

44 days and the Shaeffer suspension will be over. Do you think he will be a big draw at the Cardinal Center?

 

No

 

Why would he be a draw, much less a big draw?
Just curious.

 

The ATA has made him out to be a dangerous trapshooter. BS I am sure.

What type gun will he shoot? Kolar?

Approaching 50,000 views here. Looks like a big draw to me.

 

25 days and Mr. Shaeffer will be a free man. Free to shoot at the Cardinal Classic.

 

18 days until Shaeffer steps back on the line. And the clock keeps ticking.

 

I'm sure Sandy is thrilled that you put her picture on this thread.

 

I think it is.

 

Just curious, who besides Shaeffer himself really cares?

 

The next person that is thinking of coming with more lameass crap to throw at him?

 

Not me seems like a lot of people on here have a real bromance with this guy.

 

Hmmmm You come off as frustrated. Me thinks "Ammo" has a man crush on Harlan. You have been here for 3 years now and a post knocking Harlan gets you riled? Here to defend him? Your first post? Welcome. You wont be the strangest one here.

 

Not true, I have posted here before but since I can think for myself I had my post deleted.

 

Since you can think for yourself you had someone delete your post? You could not do that for yourself? OK...….I take the part back where I said you wont be the strangest here. Happy 2nd post minus one.

 

I guess I care a little bit. Not because I agree or disagree with the suspension or any of the posts on this thread, but because I like the opportunity to watch great shooters shoot. Since I am new to the sport I always hope to learn something by watching top shooters that may help me improve my game. I do realize that there are great shooters out there other than those that typically rack up a bunch of AA Points, and enjoy watching those folks as well. Shaeffer's return just adds one more great shooter to the mix that I may get to watch.

 

Now if Captain Obvious was here he might tell the local rocket scientist Win101 that there are close to 50,000 views here. Not that numbers matter.

For those other than Win101, I will try to get some pictures of Shaeffer shooting on the line. Stay tuned. I will post them.

 

Does anyone else think the woman in the picture has a “what is he doing with his gun” question mark on her face? That is my take.

 

I received an interesting email last night sharing that Mr. Shaeffer might be involved in some recent legal trouble in Maryland involving allegations of domestic abuse that may affect his ability to possess a firearm and thus be eligible for reinstatement.

I’m sure his many supporters in this thread will be shocked to learn he may be involved in aggressions against the fairer sex. Or possibly this is a conspiracy devised by the state police to keep Harlan on top one more year?

 

I know a guy that knows a guy that said he heard from a guy that it wasn't true

 

I first saw that picture when it was posted along with the hundreds of others from a shoot. I didn't see the persons name attached.
IF that is her thank you for letting everyone know.

 

Excellent. The corrupt at the top have leanings toward morality. Tell me who saw that coming. Yep. The stars are aligned.

 

Flyers are best, you're completely full of shit. You absolute knew that was her.

 

In a single post ..... "might be involved", "involving allegations", "will be shocked to learn he may be involved in aggressions against the fairer sex", "his ability to possess a firearm", "eligible for reinstatement".....

The only thing missing in that post is a pretty, full color, chart/graph showing the mating season for a box turtle .....

 

Is this news "fake news"?

 

Actually you are the one that is wrong. I wasn't at the shoot where this happened, I didn't know who she even was. I wouldn't know who Shaeffer or she was if they were standing next to me.

I read she shot "for" Kolar in the first few posts and when the picture was posted of this women wearing a vest with Kolar on it I thought it might be her. How many women shoot for Kolar? Not a stretch to assume it was her.
YOU pointed it out, you must know her, to take a swipe at the guy that posted the pics.
BTW, he never mentioned the name either.


Now you can apologize for saying that terrible demeaning thing about me. My feelings are hurt
Of course you will first have to remove your foot from your mouth

 

Not fake news. I used the language I did because Mr. Shaeffer has not been convicted of any crime. This is standard phrasing for such a situation.

 

Looks more like wishful thinking ..... the, "to keep Harlan on top one more year", may be a sexual preference reference, who knows .....

 

You posted it because you thought it might stir the pot. NO PROBLEM with that whatsoever.

I like pot stirrers. I don't like pot stickers, to spicy. I never really was into pot. And someone would have to be a potted plant to NOT know WHY you posted it.

You got an email? Hell I got one telling me I was the winner of 1.2 million.

Keep posting, the more the better.

 

I do not know Mr Wick but think that some of you may be owing him an apology soon. Some people do not want to believe anything that does not fit into their way of thinking.

 

I do not spend too much time thinking but when I do it is generally because facts are involved.

 

Lets get to the facts. The original poster had a letter and verified info from the ATA. Now comes a guy named Wick. He says he has an email. Post the email.

 

Waiting still for that email

 

QUOTE:
For those other than Win101, I will try to get some pictures of Shaeffer shooting on the line. Stay tuned. I will post them.
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Be sure to get a picture of any misses that will be called a hit like one of his doubles targets in NY one year.

That cost him a lot of fans. EVERYONE watching clearly saw that miss, he even gave one of those "Oh well" looks, but when the scores were called out to change stations he was awarded a 10.

You don't let it go when you are of that caliber a shooter, and have a hundred pairs of eyes watching you.

 

If getting a free target is a basis to not be a fan of a top shooter ..... not many top shooters would have any fans .....

The right thing to do may have been to question the score, then poll the squad, because the shooter has the most obstructed view with the shotgun being in the way ..... That doesn't always work, because I have seen another member of a top shooter's squad call a target "dead", after the score was questioned, without looking at the target when fired at .....

Every thread in cyber-land gets off track ..... The focus should be the biased way the ATA treats it's members ..... Not someone's personality or personal life .....

FWIW ..... I have always said, if this started from an actual "threat", a life-time ban and an ass-kicking behind the wood-shed would be in order ..... The problem becomes the total lack of trust in the ATA to do an non-biased investigation .....

 

Yeah....you will get the email the same time I get that $50 off the graph master.

 

Now THAT is funny, I don't care what anyone says

 

I am not posting an email between two private individuals. I posted information that I thought the folks on this site would want to know. Based on the response, I will reconsider doing so in the future.

The way I see it you can either believe what I shared, prove me wrong, or find your own sources. Any other response is pure unadulterated hot air.

I report, you decide.

 

Maybe, you wouldn't mind sharing why someone felt the need to "email" you the latest news about "Mr. Shaeffer" .....

Will what happens to "Mr. Shaeffer's" status with the ATA effect you in some way ???????

 

Well you did reveal a portion of the alleged content of an alleged e-mail. Did your source request confidentiality? Does the alleged e-mail suggest or authorize possible release of a portion on social media. Does the remainder of the e-mail suggest some aspect you have a motive to conceal from view?

I think some just would like something tangible about the nature of how the information came to the attention of your alleged source. Is your source a fact witness with direct and personal knowledge? Is he or she a doctor or nurse? Is he or she the arresting or other responding official? Is your source a magistrate or other person present at a hearing? Could be your alleged e-mail source is just spreading a rumor you have some motive to pass along or invent.

Unless you have something else to offer; you have not made a report: just taken a cheap shot. I think a moderator might be willing to clean up your lack of discretion. Why not ask one?

Even ethical standards of journalism require collaboration. No collaboration equals no publication in a matter of such a serious nature.

 

"At this point, what does it matter " , H. Clinton on Bengazi attack ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

Hello Joe:

I certainly meant no criticism of the forum or forum staff. I certainly take nothing away from forum members who fit your description. That is why I selected my words in a manner I believed to place responsibillity on the recipient of the alleged e-mail. I do not think he still has the edit on his own initiative option.
I would not expect the staff to edit for him on their own motion.

I thought I detected a small amount of remorse from the recipient of the alleged e-mail. Maybe I was mistaken. I hoped he would reconsider in one way or another.

WPT:

Maybe if H. Clinton had been there on the ground.......

 

Just be careful who you make a bet with.

 

All clubs should have shell knocker outers at scorer chairs. because of the steel Rimmed shells.

GB..........................DLS

 

Hey John Wick, in case you missed it the magic number for Shaeffer is 14 days.

 

10 days and Shaeffer returns. See you at the Cardinal Center.

 

Doesn't everyone carry a piece of brass to drop down the barrel?

 

Is that a legal and safe method? Please show me in the rules where that is acceptable, or more or less acceptable than kerthunking the barrel on the concrete.

 

Not to nitpick but can someone please tell me how you dislodge a stuck hull from a chamber by banging the barrel on the concrete pad?
Ed Yanchok

 

It's different with a Seitz than a Perazzi. Ask Shaeffer if you don't believe me?

 

How so?

 

Perazzis have more sensitivity issues.

 

A Perazzi lifts/pushes the "hull" up before the ejector sear trips the spring pressure and "ejects it" ......

A Silver Seitz just relies on the spring after the ejector sear tripped .....

 

This is wishful thinking on your part. Dave will not be reinstated in time.

 

Will he come back to ATA shooting or will he just shoot the fabled Ohio or Pennsylvania meat shoots that draw such amazing crowds when he's reinstated?

 

The words AMAZING and CROWDS used in the same sentence was the norm when the GAH event was in Vandalia OH.

NOW? Not so much, hell, who we kidding, NOT AT ALL.

 

What in the Hell does being "reinstated" have to do with shooting meat shoots ??????

You really need some of the other mental midgets to help with your trolling ..... being stupid is one thing, but, you can't even manage to get up to the stupid level .....

 

Liveoak, is this the day Shaeffer comes back?

 

I found this at the beginning of the thread. Aug 15?

 

If I were Shaeffer I would find something else to do.

 

I would not my home address listed on the webb. Now when there off shooting...well you get the picture.
Not mentioning hate mail.

 

rookieshooter,
Anyone that wants you home address only has to buy the ATA average book for the year. I understand the ATA will supply your personal info to anyone that they deem to be qualified. Does this surprise you? Roger C.

 

Apsofrigginlutley

And then they have the balls to charge a $25.00 "reinstatement" FEE.

Well, that one really doesn't surprise me THAT much. The ata is ALL ABOUT FEES!

Then the funniest part. After telling this grown man that he had to write these "Gee, I'm sorry" letters and telling him if he wanted back in the club with all the "real trapshooters" it would cost him $25.00,

MR. LYNN, FANTASTIC DIRECTION, GIPSON SIGNS IT, RESPECTFULLY.

Are you #$%^&*+ kidding me? No, I mean really, you HAVE to be kidding. RESPECTFULLY?

Two choices here and the both involve NOT writing "I'M SORRY" 100 times on the blackboard.

One, don't write those letters and stop giving them their dues and fee money by NEVER shooting another ata target for the rest of your life.

Two, don't write the letters take the 2 year "suspension" then come back, beat the snot out of everyone ( breaking great scores) make the AA team, and rub their collective noses in it.

I like the second choice myself.

 

Must have been only 4 on the squad huh? Either that or the 5th shooter couldn't have cared less what was said. I guess these 3 had their feelings hurt?

Hell, I watched one of the best 27 yrd line shooters I ever had the pleasure of shooting with take a core sample with the business end of his single barrel one day in the field behind the vendors buildings. He had missed 5 on the first trap and ran the rest. And that was when 95's in caps still PAYED MONEY.

Funny as #$%^. The thing looked like a tomato stake. I told him he should hang his hat on it so graves registration would know where to look.

There must have been 12 people standing there talking, then LTAO, and NOT ONE OF THEM FILED A "COMPLAINT". It WAS good for about 6 months of jokes. If would have known they were going to move the Grand years later I would have kept the sample.

 

This guy was forced to write something he may not have wanted to write. There may be another chapter here. Any atty's out there?

 

Who lost more money, him, or ATA by not shooting this year. OP post is right. Harlan had a chance to earn more this year.

 

Not very many shoots where Dave & Harlan go head to head.

 

Since Shaeffer did not shoot at Sparta, that is about $4k that did not go to the ATA and the local economy. 1/5 the cost of a free gun for the next EC member. Now who is laughing?

 

How much did the Cardinal lose out on since he didn't shoot there, either?

 

He entered every event. That is a big loss.

 

Win101, David seems to have anger issues. HE WAS ALSO A VERY GOOD TRAP SHOOTER. Maybe the ATA should have encouraged him to see about harnessing his anger problem. I hear he has given up on trap shooting. I hope he gets the help that seems to be needed. Roger C.

 

Roger -} Is that your professional diagnosis? Degreed? Or trying to be a pal to someone?

 

Roger -} Is that your professional diagnosis? Degreed? Or trying to be a pal to someone?

 

I heard David has a problem in Maryland. He may loose his right to own or handle any firearms. No, I have enough pals, and I have never met David. And NO, I do not give my professional opinions away for free. Any further questions from you and I will have the invoice you at a rate of $ 250. per hr. Have a nice day. Roger C.
PS the same ans. goes for your other post, or do you just have a finger that squivers?

 

SCTP Parent KY I will give opinion free this time myself " In my opinion you need a RELEASE MOUSE."

 

Now you did it Ken. Artur will on here any minute telling us that the "release mouse" is superior to a regular mouse.

Of course we could ask for a graph or chart showing the difference but that would lead to another problem and Dysinger would have to come on and give his assessment of the chart master.

 

You have to keep in mind that the release mouse has been outlawed for international posting,

 

If Shaeffer comes back as Lady 1 or Lady 2 , is he still suspended?

 

He would not be suspended.

 

I was the 5th shooter on the squad. They never called either me(Osker Reynolds) or Shaeffer to the office that day. They never asked me for my side of the story, though I wrote a letter on my own accord, verifying Dave's story.

Hell Dave wasn't even the first one to use profanity, old jo jack called him a fucking asshole as he walked off the line, and that's when he turned around and verbally defended himself.

The ATA absolutely had it out for him, and has for the last 10 years or so.

Y'all really should hear some of the stories he has about people trying to get him thrown out. Hilarious.

Osker Reynolds

 

Thank you Osker.

 

When I was shooting as much as the EC wanted to they didn't have the balls to try and throw me out . I would have sued them ever which way I could and in fact I told Dave Bopp as much one time over a BS deal in Michigan. The bottom line the Michigan Association paid me an Phil Kiner under the table cash and hoped we would shut up about it. If you don't believe me ask Jim Bradford or Dave Berlet. They were on the squad with me and Phil. It was the year Bradford was President of the ATA.

Shaeffer should have sued and still could. Sandy Jo Jack has a bad reputation with shooters I know. I've never met her, don't care too, but from what I've been told by people I know it doesn't surprise me she fired first. I just can't believe Pa got in the middle of it, and you are probably right they got tired of Dave kicking there asses. Brad

 

now it appears that we have the rest of the story

 

I'll bet she is REALLY thrilled to have the story, as told by someone ON THE SQUAD, posted here.

 

Maybe she'll post a comment, if she reads this site.

 

Maybe, what are you going to say to her if she calls you the same thing she called Shaeffer?

 

Nothing.
I am an asshole" too!

 

Yep that's me too.