Mississippi boycotting Autumn Grand? Not again?!

Here we go again. We made everyone adapt to the Mississippi marketing program. This was to bring in mega shooters to the Mississippi ranks. The more in Mississippi the more would travel to other shoots.
Remember they could not find 25 handicap shooters for a handicap event.

Happy wife, happy life. Happy Mississippi....well we cant make Mississippi happy.

It looks like the Mississipians have collectively decided not to travel to Arizona.

So why are we allowing Mississippi to dictate the rules of getting easy yardage?

Answer: As long as Mississippi is happy the ranks are swelling.

 

Obviously what goes on in MS stays in MS. I think I heard that line in Key West years ago. But let's go easy on those fabulous MS shooters-they actually awarded several punches at a July shoot with scores in the low to mid 90's.

Oh well, that seems to be the trend in a few other states too. Heck, we've got a moderator on another trapshoot website from MT who refuses to leave that states boundaries too. Can't have too much cheap local yardage- can we?

 

Hey must be a growing movement as there are about 11 states missing including Mississippi.

 

That is the point the OH and PA shooters are making.

 

Goofy George Miletich from Montana likes the easy yardage. He needs the small shoots and is a proponent of the easy target. He knows everything about marketing trapshooting despite not shooting outside the state of Montana. We have meat shoots in my state bigger than any shoot he has attended.



Let's keep George from getting to the VP level.

 

I wouldn't be to hard on anyone ..... being a "One Club Wonder" may be a game of follow the leaders .....

Look here ..... http://www.shootata.com/ShooterInformationCenter/tabid/118/userID/8800891/Default.aspx ..... expand the "years" and see if you find a "correlation" of "One Club" and high scores .....

Everyone knows the only cheating in the "ATA" is by the "Sandbaggers", so we MUST see a "One Club Wonder" as a "correlation" issue only ..... never a "causation" .....

Maybe the "Bat Cave" can provide color charts, graphs, and a full line of BS, to tell anyone seeing things as more than simple "correlation" they are not only wrong, they are far too "stupid" to understand HOW these numbers are generated .....

Just an FWIW ..... the "link" is to PUBLIC records to be "viewed" by any and all .....

 

And that point is?

 

LadyT---the topic of the threads are always at the top. Welcome to the forum.

 

Well then produce proof that there is a boycott. Said proof would require proof of coordination between all of the trap shooters in Mississippi to not attend the Autumn Grand. Can you do that?

 

Lady T---focus a bit. The op puts a question after the the boycott statement. That means the op is asking a question. The statement is at the end. Why can't you see the end statement?

Lady T----the point is that the ranks are not swelling. If Mississippi is not boycotting then the policy of easy yardage to make the ranks swell have failed.

 

Those 20 shooters in Mississippi have a much voting power as all the thousands of shooters in PA combined. Kinda funny when you think about it.

 

Mississippi is a great gun state. Rich in hunting and outdoor sports. Why have they failed to promote the sport?

 

There is no such thing as easy yardage unless you requested to move yourself out to the 25 or lesser yardage.

 

So breaking a 91/100 at a small 15 shooter event and getting 1/2yd. wasn't easy? Nothing to it I'd say. I recall getting 1/2 yd for a 48/50 back in the 70's. They called me "sucker"!

 

Is not the 15 shooter rule the old rule that existed before a test run at 25 shooters.

 

Yes, that is correct. One of the primary reasons the rule was changed was to encourage increased participation in Handicap events at smaller shoots. The other issue that needed correction was the problem of too many shooters handicapped beyond their ability to perform satisfactorily-hence the wholesale two yard free reductions.

 

Test run....who gave you that saying LadyT? Fact is the saying test run does not exist in the rules or the minutes. The failed trapshooting states like Mississippi banded together as the could not find 25 shooters for a handicap event.

Like the OP implied. We are doing it the Mississippi way. It aint working.

 

But the reductions can be refused, right and if so then why.

 

You can't fix stupid!

 

So good of you and the others to take time away from your crying circles in your safe places and protesting the results of the election to come in and make disparaging remarks. Much easier to do then explain your reasoning. Much easier to bitch and moan.

Got a problem with the rules governing Handicap in ATA then get off your backside and do something more than denigrate other shooters. Not going to happen though because those making the noise are just too lazy. Easier to complain then actually do the hard work to make the change you seek.


And yes you are right about not being able to fix stupid but I still hold out hope for you,Ollie and Family Guy.

 

Look, if you don't even know the most basic rules of handicap reductions maybe you should try reading your rulebook first before proclaiming to be some sort of expert. Next, try getting at least one year of hands on experience managing an ATA trap club and you just might stop making a total fool of yourself!

 

I have miss all the fire works..... Who ever Lady T is has made ya'll look like fools again,,,,Dang man you would think ya'll would learn..... Go Lady T ! funny

Dawg she is making you look like a fool I'd quit !

 

I'd gladly accept your criticism when you learn how to spell, punctuate or have even a remote idea how to write a coherent sentence.

 

LadyT ..... Where did you get the "idea" that "ATA" registered Trapshooting is to just get a "yardage punch" ?????

Is it from hanging out in Kool Aid Land, where they have such a LOFT problem nothing else matters ?????

There has to be better way to spend time and money. STANDING on "long yardage", with only the hope of breaking a less embarrassing score than the other fools, does not earn much respect.

 

Dawg I agree I should proof read but being a peasant I have about ten minutes during lunch an I agree with you. Believe it or not my mother was an Anglish teacher..... but the main thing is you got the point I hope. I'm not being critical it's just you and several others do not seem to understand your thoughts are in the minority among the trap world. You have lost touch......Lady T has put you back in reality.
Sorry

 

Romie

Are you including the 30,000 members we lost in your poll or just the 1600-1700 that show up for the GAH every year? Did you get a chance to poll the 15,000 the ATA had at the campsites?

I am guessing you asked the 12 that usually attend the Mississippi shoots.

 

Tarpmaker

I was at the Grand and had a great time by the way . But listen ! You and many others are so bitter over nothing that remotely affects the sport and seem to get your feeling hurt when someone like Lady T makes you a fool. I f you are so unhappy move to something else !

It's like ya'll have taken a poison pill and think the other ATA members that don't agree with you are going to die!

It ain't happening!
move on

 

The failed handicap system doesn't affect the sport. Huh? Giving easy yardage out doesn't affect the sport? Really?

Romie.....they did by the thousands. But in your opinion it doesn't affect the sport.

 

Romie from Mississippi, you and your fellow shooters from the failed trapshooting states lobbied to take the successful trapshooting states down to your level. And then you come on the site and say it doesn't affect the sport. Followed by if you guys don't like it then leave the sport.

How has that attitude worked so far in Mississippi? Big crowds huh?

Show us your success and we can be followers. Tell us about the big shoots you have there. Tell me Romie about your big shoots. Let's here from Romie.

 

The delegates should understand that all decisions made by them affect the sport.

 

So you are telling me there are a lot of trap shooters quit trap because of the new ruling.

YOUR SPECIAL !


Survey????/ Look at this site I do not have to run a survey...The five posters of this site have spoken,, I personally do not think the decision which evidently was unanimous evidently is live or death to anyone in Mississippi like it evidently has affected Ya'll. Dang I mean is Ollie dawg going to quit and take his best friend Long shot with him .Don't use Mississippi for and example any one can do the numbers and figure that out, but look at Arkansas and Tennessee.

This is not life or death...The ATA has run well without you many years and will continue to do so.

 

The leadership in Mississippi have proven their ability to hold big shoots and bring in the shooters. I will be a several meet shoots this year in PA and OH that are bigger than satellite grands. Most of the shooters no longer shoot registered targets. One big reason is the broken handicap system.

Just to prove his IQ the above idiot from Mississippi posts that crap. Funny when you think about it. Too late jack ass!
Those guys already left. 1700 in the GAH. LOL

Mississippi leadership in full view here.

Note the forum idiot didn't post those numbers.

 

Including Mississippi. Why is that?

 

Romie

Just for the record. Why does Mississippi find it nearly impossible to get 25 shooters to a handicap event within their own state.

 

Manage a trap club has to be a piece of cake when compared to other businesses especially if you have to deal with local zoning and planning officials.

And I never claimed to be an expert but have left that to you and others and you have failed miserably.

BTW how come their were more Canadians at the Autumn Grand than the combined numbers of Ohio and PA. shooters. MIA. Again.

 

LadyT

Your question shows how little you understand about the states with the large numbers of trapshooters. The CC alone has 3 of the 5 largest shoots. Then there is the huge PA state shoot. There are meat shoots in PA as big as the autumn grand. There are the big calcuttas in NW and SW OH. All in driving distance.

In a morning I could walk to 3 clubs and drive to 150.

Only about 1 in 7 trapshooters in OH and PA even shoot registered. There are leagues in my area with 150 shooters. 400 shooters in a PA league.

We can promote trapshooting. You are stuck with your own failures. According to the Mississippi leader Romie, you don't need us. Look to Mississippi. They have the plan. All 12 of them.

 

Didn't that easy yardage loving goofy Montana George go to the shoot? Forgot ......... He knows everything but never shot out of the state.

 

You hear that dawg. LadyT is from a state with more shooters than PA.

 

Romie,

I have attended two of Miss. state shoots in Corinth, They were both well run and enjoyable. I did not go back because I was told that the next year the shoot would be held on a four trap layout in the central part of the state. I ask how they would handle it with all of the non resident shooters that were in attendance? One of the state boy's said who gives a sh$t about the non residence. With that attitude I can under stand why there are not more shooters in the state. Roger C.

 

As the Lord once said "forgive them for they know not what they do"! The voice of zero experience who never managed a real ATA shoot. People still stand in awe when they remember how I managed to get 50 100 target squads through 6 traps and got done before 7PM. Lady T obviously has a few loose screws and not all of 'em are in her wheelchair!

 

Romie obviously has no idea about the drop off of attendance (grand) annually or the number of ATA shooters who have dropped their membership completely and all together for what ever reason ... The ATA will continue to operate as long as all of the clubs collect daily fees on their behalf being as this is the Life Blood of the ATA and they always have been ... The grand was once a major contributor to the operation (generated income ) of the ATA , that is not any long true ... The ATA is supposed to promote trapshooting according to what they say but in fact its the clubs (members) that are the true promoters of the Sport of trapshooting and the ATA, then the ATA cannot and does not retain them ... It is true that a person does not need a survey to see what is happening as well as what is not happening to preserve the future existence of the grand and trapshooting even at the clubs that are the make up and support of the ATA ... The ATA (grand ) could not even get 2,000 entry's for the grand American Handicap Championship event, that has to speak volumes if any one is listening or even cares any more ... The clubs are putting targets in the air, many have cut back or eliminated registered shooting all together, either way it would be based on the demand (desire) of the shooters ... The members on this site are not ATA, Sparta, haters, bashers, but are a collection of realistic people who harbor realistic dislikes for what is happening to an Organization they once had great pride in being a part of (ATA), those days are long gone but the fear of it ending again looks very real to many and it appears the ED, EC, and some of the BOD are doing more promoting the elimination of the ATA by doing nothing, than keeping it alive and well for future generations ... If you do not see there is a problem, you are probably part of it ... Like sitting at a poker table if you do not see a Fish at the table, that's because you are it ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

The world according to WTP and Olie dog....Now Olie Dog said that most trap shooters are over handicapped and he should be one to know last year his average was 87% and this year it's a whopping 81%
As for you WTP Your scores are equally impressive You haven't shot in two years and the last average was 87%

Looks to me ya'll need to take your reduction...you know to be more competitive ! But Dawg might be waiting on the perfect day so he won't be down there with me .

Ya'll should be noted as the Handicap experts.!!!!!!!!!!

 

Romie

you never answered the question above that would support your stance. Tell us about the increase in trapshooters in Mississippi.

I think the point of the thread is that if the easy yardage idea has been so successful in Mississippi then where the hell are the shooters?

 

Tarpmaker
You evidently have never been to Mississippi and have not a clue the the rest of the world and I hate to use a big word for you but you can look it up "demographics " look it up!

 

Demographics ? The thread is about all having to change the rules of trapshooting to increase your numbers. Tell us why it didn't work. And if it didn't work.....isn't that the point regardless of your demographics excuse.

And I have been to Mississippi many times.

 

Poor Romie. He tends to cherry pick data and draw invalid conclusions. That 81 in Handicap wasn't all that bad since Harlan was also in the 80's that day. A number of ATA All-Americans were in the 60's. 40 mph wind gusts tend to make back yardage handicap a bit of a chore for those who actually have the talent to shoot from there.

I suppose with his poor eyesight he couldn't see my 97.86 Singles average either-especially since it was higher than anyone in MS!

 

Romie ,
First off for the record it's WPT (make a note, please ) , to add a correction to your saying I have no shot in 2 years which is totally inaccurate, I have not shot registered in more than 2 years because I refuse to support the ATA as it is being run and operated the way it is ... I am just one of many who feel there is a problem, you obviously do not or are not bright enough (knowledgeable) to of spotted it ... I do shoot on a pretty regular basis but not registered (last year 37 flats of shells or there about ) according to my inventory of shells in my garage ... You will be one of the ones who will open your eyes one day and realize things have changed, the membership of the ATA will of dropped off to the point there no sense to try to revive it and or any of the shoots they supported (actually got paid to support) will be gone and the clubs will still be putting targets in the air ... I suggest you go and sign up for the kool aid crews big adventure , the way you talk you would be right in the mix with a bunch of others who really do not know, nor have an idea whats going on ... Got to shoot good to make it to the back fence, shooting good once you get there is optional, but we still have less distance to walk to the posts ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

I didn't leave the ata, THE ata LEFT ME

 

Well Ollie what do you want, A medal or a chest to pin it on. You did something once. Whoopee.

 

You are the one pointing fingers at the folks in Mississippi about not attending shoots, so I pointed out that the folks from Canada far outnumbered the folks from Ohio and Pa., the 2 states you always refer too, during the Autumn Grand in Tucson. Given your statements one would expect better attendance from the trap shooters in Ohio and Pa. but in this case these 2 great trapshooting states were overshadowed by our fine neighbors to the North. One would think these 2 great states you refer to, one which is my birth-state and the other being where my ancestors came from,, could at least match the Canadian participation rate but hey they just didn't measure up. NOw these are the two states you hold up for others to emulate failed yet they failed to measure up.. Even the numbers of trap shooters from the Great Province of Alberta out numbered the trap shooters from the states of Ohio and Pa. So what gives.

So what is really bothering you. Is the competition too much for you now?

As I understand it the change was a return to the rule as it used to be. Were you complaining about the rule then? Yes. No. Could it be you are just wanting to cause dissension within the ATA. I can tell you one thing and that is denigrating shooters from another State and the State itself is not going to accomplish anything.

 

LadyT, Do you declare as a chair shooter or as a lady shooter? Or can you shoot as both and win in either class you choose? Roger C.

 

More like 20 years of it.

 

We probably have more ATA All-Americans attending our shoots than the total attendance at some of the shoots you mention. So one squad of foreign shooters attend a shoot and we should jump up and down celebrating some major victory. FYI we also play the Canadian national anthem prior to starting all our shoots!

 

What you do not realize is we are OLD I am 76 and have a Prosthetic Left Leg, but I still shoot BUDDY shoots, I just got my new ATA CARD as a CHAIR SHOOTER and will give ATA Shooting another try in 2017, Would you like to try shooting against an Invalid and see if you can beat him?

GB.........................DLS

 

Someone call the brick company. They shouldn't have to make a new mold for the name.

 

And as a general rule they dont Lady T. How difficult is that for you to understand? Romie admits the rule that was changed did not work bringing in MS shooters. Mississippi cant even get 25 shooters for a handicap event.

And then you makemthe statement implying PA and OH shooters are not shooting. OH and PA are shooting so much they have 4 of the 5 largest shoots. And only 1 of 7 actually shoot registered.

Please tell me why OH and PA with all their shoots would travel 1500 miles to a putzy wish it was grand shoot. They dont have to travel that far. They go to local meat shoots with more competition.

Mississippi shooters are not traveling because there practically isn't any. And they would not travel where you have to be competitive from their yardage.

Beam me up Scotty.

 

Here are some old-time traveling Mississippi shooters.

 

Ollie dog I did notice you have very good average in singles but the post is about handicap I thought which your average at the moment is 81% and 87% last year as far as cherry picking the data the data is the data..... by the way your doubles average in 2015 was a whopping 76% and since you are comparing it to Mississippi you would probably be last unless we had a new shooter that year certainly . Looks like you have given up since then.

Your choice not to shoot ATA registered trap is fine if that's what turns you on but don't think remotely your practice scores mean anything to any one else but you. Competing is entirely different game. Many a fieldgoal kicker could kick 60 yarders in practice but never in a game.

 

Look out Romie. My #1 cataract was removed and #2 is on the horizon. Just so happened long yardage handicap targets look like fuzzy aspirin tablets. It also shows anyone even a half blind man like me can still break AA averages. And you?

 

I was at a registered shoot a few years back that actually got rained out if you can believe it, while we were all sitting and waiting for ME to make up my mind what to do one of the better shooters from the local area asked if I wanted to just shoot for a few bucks from back about 45 yards under cover ... I said sure, "how much", he said how bout $50.00 bucks to make his ride worth while ..? I said I was thinking a Hundred but okay ... We went out to the place where we were going to shoot from and he said we have to switch sides each 4 shots, didn't know why, but okay ... He dropped two of the first 4, I told him you lose you know ..? He was jumping up and down saying that's not fair to incite mind games when we are shooting for money ... I told him I was sorry, won't do it again ... He dropped another target and I dropped one of the next 4, long story short ROMIE, the man opened his mouth and had no idea what he was talking about much the same as you do most of the time ... I shoot and can shoot any time I want, registered or non registered, my choice but if some Clown ( I am not calling you a Clown, against the rules) wants to run off at the mouth about shooting for money they can count me in ... The guy who issued the first challenge didn't want to shoot anymore after I kicked his azz to the curb on the first 25, by the way ... I would beat you like a DRUM, lets make it for a hundred or more this time ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

I noticed he only brought out one box of shells, I brought out my shooting bag with 5 boxes in it ... FYI ...

 

Poor Romie, he's stuck shooting against a few local wannabes in a little obscure state when up here in PA we've got leagues with between 400 and 800 shooters. Not much competition he'd say except it's populated by several ATA Grand Slam holders, a Clay Target Champion, and numerous PA State and zone champions. Heck, we even gave a new K-80 for first prize one year.

Now that lowly 'dawg has either won it totally or placed in the top 10 guns nearly 25 times since 1969 and in 6 different decades-a record probably never challenged. So if you want some real competition feel free to join us and you might just learn about performance pressure. Like one top All-American said, "this league is the toughest challenge I've had in Trapshooting and it's real hard sleeping Saturday nights knowing I probably cannot miss a target on Sunday".

 

After listening to you guys (probably 1 or 2 ) it leads me to the following conclusion and recommendation.
Before I go into that I remind you that you are blaming MS for the present handicap rule, MS has one (1) delegate vote – 1…..so I fail to see why your narrowed minded analysis places the blame on MS.
All that being said, since the best way to change an organization’s direction is begin a part of the organization and enacting reform and changes is to be a part of said organization --- outsiders will not change anything.
I recommend the following :
1) You and all your likeminded shooter friends who left the ATA get back in and fight for and enact your recommended changes to mold the association rules to suite you.
2) You and all the hordes of likeminded shooters form your own association, enact your own rules and simply put the ATA out of business by everyone leaving ATA to join your association.

 

Practice what you preach ....... Take your reductions ..As Olliedog said most are over handicaped like him and Tarpmaker Wpt, Familyguy.ect.....

Long shot you are a good guy,, Keep shooting I hope I'm shooting at 72 ..... and I ain't far behind you.

and by the way I have never met a trap shooter from Ohio or Pennsylvania I didn't like.....EVER !

 

Silly, Romie, I did take three yards of reductions and earned two of 'em back in short order. Just a bit more time to practice, another yard, and back to the 27 again. Not only that, I only shoot handicap at shoots where low scores won't get yardage. Where I come from you'll very likely need a 96 or above to ever see any increase.

That said, I see you failed to realize it was MS that made the stupid proposal that was voted on by equally small minded obscure states. So the hammer falls on the culprit!

 

Romie,
Your suggestions are no doubt given with all of the best intent ... The problem with any attempt to try and make the ATA a better place for all of us, (you included) is the way the Officers are structured there is no way to change, alter, or modify the operation being as any one making such attempt would be out numbered big time ... I have been a Life Member since 1975, (second shoot , I ever attended) and have seen with my own eyes the growing corruption and lopsidedness of the Association by the EC, CHC, and many of the BOD ... I do not know how long you have been involved nor do I really care (to be honest) but if you think everything is okay you are part of the problem ... There is not ONE PERSON on this site that is an ATA basher, hater, or any other name you wish to use , but more so many who have no been disillusioned by the antics over the years ... Like a few shooters say , The ATA left us, we did not leave the ATA ... There are some people who will speak up and others just take it, those are the "SHeeple" , and we for the most part are not those people ... The ATA does not need anyone to assist in it going out of business, pay attention to the numbers and come to your own conclusion ... The grand has had dismal and pathetic attendance since the relocation, I cannot believe even you would think this is a good thing, unless your one of the ones who wants to shoot and run always in a hurry ... I do not care where the shooter is from or what rules pertain to that state compared to others, I take all people at face value and seldom find someone I cannot find some good in (key word: Seldom) ... I have quit and come back to shooting more times than I care to talk about for reasonable and logical reason beyond my control, You know Kids, Family Feeding them , house payments, etc, etc, etc ... I have always enjoyed shooting and more so the people I have met and many of those who have become valued friends, some still to this day ... We have an association, it will no doubt have to change one of these days or it will be no more ... The ATA can operate on the daily fees collected by all of its agents at all of the little or big clubs who collect them, what happens if they all quit or die off or cut back or give up all together on registered ..?
Never say, Never ... I respect everyone until they give me reason not to, then you will know it and that's not good ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

The first part of this ..... "You and all the hordes of likeminded[sic] shooters form your own association" ..... I agree would be "time better spent" .....

The second part ..... "simply put the ATA out of business" ..... this is the result of "ATA" self-inflicted damage, that there is great doubt that it can be saved at this point .....

From "V10's" work in cyber-land ..... "Data from Target Year 2016 for shooters who shot at any handicap targets." says the "total" is "19,363" ..... the "thread" was started by an "ATA leader", wanting to know if there is a need for the "18 and 19 yard-lines".

4,535 is the total number of shooters listed on these yardages this "leader" is trying to piss on. And less than ten percent of the "total number (19,363)" shot the "GAH".

So, this should give a good idea what type of leadership the "ATA" has. To "grow the sport", you "poll" the mental-midgets in cyber-land to keep the "fantastic direction" on course .....

So ..... "You and all the hordes of likeminded[sic] shooters form your own association" ..... should soon have the same effect that "if you don't like it stay home" has had .....

Look here ..... http://www.shootata.com/ShooterInformationCenter/tabid/118/userID/8800891/Default.aspx ..... maybe the 18 and 19 should be abolished, before the people who need to be there get forced to be there .....

The Occupy the 27 shooters in control have destroyed what was the "ATA" ..... One can only hope for something new and better before age makes it moot for many .....

 

MS and it's 25 shooters have as much power as all the shooters (thousands?) from PA.

The facts are not important to Romie. The point of the thread was that we all changed for the sake of MS. They wanted a new rule that would swell their ranks. The ranks didn't swell and Romie blames it on demographics. Demographics may be a big part of it but the bottom line is the Mississippi rule failed.

 

Family Guy
Well you are the one who pointed fingers at the fine people from the Great State of Mississippi. Talking about how they didn't attend this shoot or that shoot. So I just pointed out that given the numbers of shooters from Ohio and Pa. that they were vastly under represented the Tucson Autumn Grand. And to that point I pointed out that our fine neighbors to the North greatly outnumbered the Ohio and Pa. shooters at the Tucson Autumn Grand. In fact the fine folks from just one Province, Alberta, out numbered the shooters from Ohio and Pa.

Why you started this hateful and disrespectful thread is beyond me. I guess it's because you have nothing better to do then attack fellow Trap Shooters and the State they live in. Kinda like a 2 year old throwing a fit.

You see they didn't change the rule. They exercised their Rights that they have under the Rules of the ATA. The same Rights you have but for some reason that just flies over your head. You just fail to understand. A rule got changed. A rule that use to exist as has been stated on this site so the change was nothing new. It was just changed back to the way it used to be. You know the way it used to be.

 

Yet you still fail to recognize that Mississippi didn't change the rule. The leadership of the ATA did and that is where you should be focused but instead you attack the fine folks from Mississippi.

 

Lady T.....somehow the point of the thread went way beyond you. Wayyyyyy beyond!

The point is that the Mississippi delegate which was supported by the Mississippians brought this to the floor for a vote. The reason it was brought to a vote was because Mississippi cannot find 25 shooters for a handicap event.

Lady T, do you notice how the statement above is almost the same as the 1st statement in the thread? If you look closely at all the threads the opening statement is the topic.

Earth to Lady T.....no one is attacking the fine folks of Mississippi. We are making fun of the less than 25 shooters that wanted a rule that failed. And also chiding the other states with failed marketing plans that voted for the failed rule change.

Where is that toaster WPT talks to?