MT George Proves He Likes Cheap Yardage

Word on the streets is MT George and a few of his small state constituents believe soft targets and cheap yardage are necessary for the ATA to thrive once again. Many of us are aware of the proposal by the Miss. delegate to reduce the earned yardage table needed to get yards. Seems these poor souls didn't have enough knowledge to spend .25 and call the ATA with their request. Unfortunately, the delegates fell asleep and voted in favor of it. This decision flies in the face of Sir. Neils charts and graphs which suggest most shooters are far over-handicapped.

Nonetheless, it seems like MT George and a few individuals from smaller states that seldom travel beyond their borders are ignoring results from larger venues like PA and Ohio that suggest otherwise. MT George and pals have a problem with anyone that will challenge the ATA's rulers.

I know many of us like to argue with Sir Neil and his proliferation of charts and graphs. Of course, I'd argue to my grave that we need more concrete that he soundly rejects. I'm sure many people do believe most shooters are not competitive with the Harlans of the world at their yardage. So it seems MT George, and a few misguided others believe dumbing down the game even farther is best. Somehow, I fail to see their logic!

 

Dawg thems strong words. Dont limit yourself to calling out MT George. Add the rest of the states without traphshooters that have helped make the sport what it is or isnt.

 

When the ATA comes to their senses and fires the current President, EC and BOD, then throws away the present Rule book and all it's modifications, Reinstitutes the Target Angles and Distances, You will find there is no need for more Concrete, The ties on the Singles Championships will be far fewer, The 100s from the 27 will dwindle and more close yardage shooters will be winning the Championships, Including the SCTP Teams. Those young students have been sweeping Championsips causing the Old Guys to Complain about them. May God Bless the USA and the SCTP teams.

Challenging targets does not upset them, they take the Targets in Stride like we used to in the Early Years of Trapshooting. They have the guns and Equipment and the Sponsorship of Browning. I hope Winchester, Perazzi, Kreighoff, Caesar Guerini, Kolar and others follow suit.

Those SCTP shooters have been Whipping Ass and Taking Names. Just what our Trapshooting Sport needs.

They are not afraid of Competetive Targets, just guys like Neil Winston, and the Present EC and BOD. they want EASY targets they can break, because they do not have the Skills anymore, Old Age passed them over.

Yours in Sport
Gary Bryant.......................................Dr.longshot

 

Frankly I don't care what Ohio,PA or Ill for that matter thinks. The change came through the democratic process. It was propose, voted on and passed on a better than 2 to 1 vote. So what is your problem with democracy and voting.

 

Hi All! Well I'm probably going to get My titty in the ringer, but here goes. I help manage a small 2-trap club out in the sticks, in PITA country. Turnouts for registered shooting is a lot smaller, than at larger clubs in the Midwest. Typically on average about 15-17 shooters, occasionally you get a sunny day where We might get closer to a couple dozen shooters. This club has a reputation for lower handicap scores, tougher targets. Back in the day, (at shorter yardage), I could do pretty well, and manage to, win several 1/2 yard punches at this club. Going to larger shoots, won a few lost a lot. Went to the OSTA, (state association), board meeting, (wife is a member). Petitioned them to have a minimum score of 92 to get a punch at a shoot that has 25 or less shooters. This went nowhere. The state handicap rep, thought the cure was for everyone that got this kind of yardage, and exceeded their skill/yardage level, was to get them to take a reduction. I disagree, but not in a position to change anything. Out here in the west, and Alaska. lot of small clubs scattered all over. Not a lot of them shoot registered. But the ones that do tend to give out yardage that is not on par with yardage given out at much larger shooters. It's a fact that the competition, is just a lot tougher. How to fix? Our state board at the time was made up of a lot of long-time members, and They did not want to upset the applecart. Might be different now, as There are several new BOD members. May need to try again. Silly Me made sense to try and make earned yardage, more equal at all registered shoots. Just My 2 cents.

 

Maybe you can explain why an idea that was so good a few years ago suddenly became so bad-contrary to the data from Sir Neil's charts and graphs. I'm sure you're now sitting at the 25 after that yardage request from the ATA. How does it feel at the 25?

 

A piece of cake at the 27 which is where I prefer to shoot from.

 

Please tell us your average from your real yardage and we'll let you know where you really belong!

By the way, 4 20's out of 25 is an 80 and marks you with a permanent "L" on your forehead!!

 

But all you shoot are Singles so why don't you stay in the children's section while the adults get down to business in Doubles and Handicap.


Also it's impossible to get four 20's out of 25. Your math skills are lacking. really lacking. Now you can get four 20's out of 4 sets of 25 but not one 25 as you stated.

 

Lady T
The vote was more like a republic not a democracy. Unless of course we all had the chance to vote.

The U. S. is a republic. Not that it matters. The ATA will die more and more due to it's design and corruption. Tell them to make 'em all straightaways if it keeps you on 27. It's your nickel.

 

It's a democracy. People voted. It wasn't a decree that you get from monarchies or dictators.

 

Lady T....a Republic is where you elect others to vote for you or represent you. Pure democracy is when you get to vote on the issues.

We dont vote on whether there should be a bounty on certain races or whether rape should be legal. We vote on lawmakers and rarely vote on laws.

republic def:

1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers

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We need a pure democracy in the ATA. Those in the states like Mississippi have most the power per person. That is why we have the dumb ass rule change so those non shooter states can get yardage for an 82. See dawgie posts.

What makes one person's life easier at the 27 isnt what is best for the sport.

 

Just so happens I actually earned the 27 and shot there 10x longer than you've been shooting. So please tell us your handicap average and from what yardage. I suggest my limited handicap average is higher than your singles. If you need more information to request a yardage increase-since you profess to shoot better from the 27, I'm sure many of us can provide that information. It's not complex and even someone from an obscure state with few shooters like yours can understand.

I'll even make my earlier post even simpler-20 x 4=80=first loser!

 

Full Definition of democracy
plural de·moc·ra·cies

1. 1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
   
   
2. 2 : a political unit that has a democratic government
   

 

Poor Ollie. No one is questioning you on how you got to the 27 but for some reason you seem to be quite sensitive and defensive on that achievement. How come?

 

Hi Lady T Now you are close to understanding. Where the word "especially" is used describes a pure democracy. Rule by majority. The rules in the ATA are created by the minority states. Mississippi, as mentioned before cannot get more than 15 shooters to a shoot but has as much power as PA. Rhode Island has as much power as New York. Much like the senate but without the balance of the House of Representatives.

That is a rule by minority. The ATA minority is stifling growth.

Good example.... that creepy MT George and the 20 shooters in MT wanting the rules changed for them and Mississippi.

omg I agreed with the dawg

 

It was a 38 to 15 vote so what Minority did the voting that passed the rule. If you don't like the outcome of the vote then work to bring it back up for reconsideration instead of whining like a 2 year old who didn't get their way. I swear between you trying to change the direction of the thread and Ollies's crying one would think they were babysitting a bunch of children.

 

Still confused?

I will rephrase. My fault.

The 5 states OH, PA, NY, IN, MI have as many shooters as the rest combined. They are far outnumbered. I can guarantee you that the top 6 states for trapshooting voted against the rule.

Rhode Island votes yea. OH votes nay. Mississippi votes yea. PA votes nay. Alaska votes yea.

Votes from the above is about 5,000 to 300. OH and PA having the 5000, and are outvoted. Not much of a democracy is it?

Fewer will show up to the smaller clubs in the big states and there will still be no one in the non-shooter states.

 

I didn't petition the ATA for any of my yardage and actually earned every one. You don't get cheap yardage in PA. Well, I did get a .5 yd. punch back in the late 70's at a club similar to the ones you seem to prefer. I'd be sensitive about my yardage if I couldn't get much past the 20 and counting on my club to get 15 shooters so my 80/100 just might get some!

 

LadyT, surprise, my 92.00% handicap average in 1976 was 33rd. high in the US. Not bad for a young puppy with an 1100 and many of which were probably shot on 3-hole targets. Tell us more about yours since you prefer to brag about your handicap shooting prowess at the 27! Did you know anything about Trapshooting was in the 60's and 70's?

 

Just a little late research finds PA has 91 active shooters standing on the 27 while MS has 3-not enough to fill a squad. Anyone in a betting mood want to believe MS will have more than three after the rule change please step forward. Another silly decision after little thought and sure to hurt the smaller clubs!

 

A few people in BFE got together and accomplished something .... getting a few people to do more than vent in cyber-land seems to be much harder.

Preaching to the Choir may not be a bad way to vent .... but, how many are willing to do more ?????

It is long past the time stop preaching and start acting. In the time it takes to make a post you could send an email.

 

Our PA delegate knows where I stand-just like more people will vote Democrat to maintain being on the government dole!

 

Knowing where someone "stands" is one thing, daily reminders is another.

Does the PA-AG know "where you stand" on a "public charity" that operates in their State ?????

There is a list of email addresses on shootata dot com .... are they all clear "where you stand" ?????

Is the IRS clear where you may stand on possible tax issues ?????

I doubt that the help needed to remove the cancer the current "ATA" suffers from cares that someone supports "cheap yardage".

If it makes your day better post away .... but if you are looking for a resolution, preaching to the Amen Choir is going to disappoint you.

 

What difference does it make. None. All you want to do is complain. Find something else to do that is productive.

 

Facts sir-just the facts!

 

LadyT, please inform all of us where you stand. My guess is you never made it past the 20. Please do not include wannabe yardage!

 

W

Well it really doesn't look like it matters anymore. I'm having to face the fact that I have lost the strength necessary to shoot even one round of trap let alone 200-300 birds a day. Just doesn't matter where I shoot from now as my shooting is coming to a screeching halt.

 

Too bad-especially after your claim to do so well at the 27 yd. line. It sure is nice of you to remain interested in Trapshooting and cheap yardage even though you no longer participate!

 

FU ASSHOLE!!

 

Gee, all those wonderful comments about your exceptional talent (or so you claim) and this is what I get. I'm so upset!