More comes to light on the HOF Building

After talking to the Construction Supt. of the HOF Building, he said all contact was with the Architech on the building hired by the ATA, or HOF Trustees.

This is a Standard Pole Building Design, you can get them at any Lowes Store and Home DEpot at the construction Counter, or Pole Building Contractor.

All this High Paid Architect did was contact a Pole Bulding Contractor and ask to look at building plans for Pole Buildings, then get a copy of the plans at Lowes or Home Depot.

There is nothing Special about the BUILDING THAT REQUIRED AN ARCHITECH, The trusses are standard design and length. Available from any truss mfgr.

You or I could have picked out several pole building designs, it is not a Metal Framed Building.

Even Metal Framed Buildings could have been selected.

In my personal opinion over $750,000 was wasted, $1.2 Million for a max $523,000 building to the highest bidder and that included Motel and meals for the out of state construction workers.

Here is where one of the many, many, MONEY PIT EXISTS for our association

It was a 3 letter Architech Company, I failed to write it down when the Construction Supt gave it to me, he was also in contact with Jim Bradford, there is still money left in Construction Co funds to complete the Landscaping. I guess Jim Bradford suggested a Chain Link Fence around the structure, where was the Architech on this Item?

Gary Bryant...........................Dr.longshot

 

Dr. your post just add's to the fact how little you know about many things.
Any commercial building that will be used by the public is required to carry an Architect or Engineers stamp.
This puts the liability of the project on this professional. A building like this is way beyond the scope of what LOWES or HOME DEPOT can do.
Building Code requirements for handicap access, rest room design, traffic flow and exits, fire protection, lighting, heat, signage are all part of the package. It's also the requirement that the Architect oversees the construction and make sure it meets or exceeds what's on the drawings.
You can buy a pair of pliers at HOME DEPOT and pull your own teeth, but I don't think most people would do that either.
Stick with what little you know, your pot stirring really means little to a lot of us.

 

The plans have to be stamped by a registered engineer or Architect. They then are responsible for the design of the structural componants. All truss companies have registered engineers that design the trusses, and "Truss Stamps" are then furnished in the shop drawings and submitted to the State with the total permit drawings. Most A/E's will require some on-site inspection to assure their structural design is not compromised by shoddy workmanship or poor materials. They have to protect themselves. And this whole permitting and inspection process is a convoluted, sophisticated, and detailed process with plenty of hoops to jump through. But it's manageable if you have the experince with the process,

The owner can elect to manage the project themselves or defer that responsibility contractually to the general contractor who usually then requires each large subcontractor to bond their work. It's just a means of transferring responsibility to other parties....it's called "business risk".

When ever you have a "Board" of people with little or no commercial building experience in charge of a project, expect some confusion and wasted $.

 

You are full of SH*T Building plans have Engineer Stamps on them.

I know as I have built 3 houses on Lowes Building Plans. You buy 3 copies, one is filed with your local Building Code Office,
One set is kept on site, And then your Construction Supt has a copy, which was me.

Gary Bryant........................Dr.longshot

 

My Pole Barn I built at my old address I bought the plans from 84 Lumber, and they were Stamped By an Approved Engineering Firm. I submitted a copy to my local Building Dept and got issued a building permit, just like the ones on the homes I built.

There is a lot of ways to cover up expenses/hide them, unless you are a knowledgable person, that cannot be bullshitted

Gary Bryant.............................Dr.longshot

 

Doc, you're soooo misinformed.
Non commercial stuff does not need an Architect or Engineer stamp unless the living area exceeds 3,500 sq. ft.
In many places a sketch on the back of a shopping bag can get you a permit to build your house, garage or barn.
It still should be inspected, but there are places out there that don't do that.
We're talking about a Commercial Building, totally different, the entire plan needs to be sealed, not just the trusses, or beams.
There also needs attached a very detailed specification on materials, mechanics, electrical, plumbing that going into the building
You really need to get out more !!

 

It is an involved process for a commercial building. When I was a mechanical contractor and received the approved plans then I would have to submit " As built plans". Meaning the exact way the mechanical was installed. Many times things need to be changed due to various conflicts. Then these plans where turned over to the owner. Not to mention 10 sets of specs for each piece of equip used for the installation. Then these need to be stamped for approval. Now throw in "change orders" that need to be approved if any. And this is for each trade.

 

Wow, you expert builders are awesome.

One thing you might want to think about is, different states, towns, counties, and cities all have different codes, and procedures.

Also, site prep and the shell structure are the cheapest part of the project.

 

jb rosey & others: Does that building look like a HOF bldg.? The main structure is 6x6 main wooden vertical supports, It is nothing but a Horse Barn trainining Arena, go out to an area that has Horse Barn Indoor Training Arenas, this is nothing but an Over Priced, Horse Training Indoor Arena. They have them all over Kentucky, Ohio, Etc. Ask people who have horses!!!

Are protecting those involved? Give me your address on here and I will send you some different Flavored Kool Aid.

Gary Bryant....................Dr.longshot

 

Nope not protecting anybody, just stating the facts and pointing out the stuff you're ignorant about.

 

Dr., Commercial buildings fall under completely different requirements than "residential" or farm buildings because they are open to the public. duff is right. Every state has different code requirements, but almost every state has adopted BOCA or teh International Code for commercial construction. It may look like a horse barn to you, but your local horse barn builder wouldn't have a clue how to build it and meet code.

 

New Sign at the WSRC READS ( WELCOME TO THE THOF HORSE TRAINING BUILDING) enclosed you may find some trapshooting memorbalia!!!!!!!

Gary Bryant....................Dr.longshot

 

COMMERCIAL BUILDING what a joke, just a poor excuse of an HOF building costing in excess of the $1.2 million.

 

Horse Barn LOL.You don't Have a clue.

 

You want to see a horse barn? Empress Arabians, this is 10 minutes from my house. When they first started building it no one knew what it was going to be. It looked like a large sprawling home at first. Then the news came out that it was for HORSES. That building behind the name of the company is the BARN.
God knows how many millions they spent. Compared to this MULTI MULTI million dollar facility that thing in sparta looks like a shed they would use to store feed. Or maybe the manure.

 

Does everyone remember earlier visions?

 

The roof does kinda look like a clay target coming out of a Trap house.

The angle was 44 degrees so the plan was scrapped.

 

I sure do JHunts !

I sent Trustee Lynn (Doc) Parsons a copy of it that I saw in a news article, (Or perhaps it was T&F), and asked him about it...Good God, he hadn't even seen it before I sent it to him...

I could almost see the Big money for that building.