Looking for Info on Atlantic Indians

I just signed up for the forum this evening - shoot a bit of trap and sporting clays. We've been cleaning out the stable on our property - bought the property from my wife's parents. Her father collected many things and stored a lot of it in the stable. He was a WWII vet and passed away last year.

Today Lynn found several old large manila envelopes. One of them contained these patches. I've done web searches and can't find much info - just references that lead me to believe the patches are from the Atlantic Indians Trapshooting Association. Can anyone confirm this? Provide background or history on the association's history.

 

Here is a program from 2013, it seems.

The historian for the group is a poster on this site.

 

OMG, History Buff is going to go NUTS over these lovely pieces !!!

I am sure he will have much information for you. I believe he is enjoying some sunshine in Southern Florida (vacation) at the moment but when he returns to the snow land, he will inform us about the Indians...

I know he loves taking about them !

 

I am looking forward to hearing from him! The patches are felt with ink applique - with the exception of the blue one which is all embroidered. The were stuck in an envelope that had my wife's grandfather's name written on it. I have no idea how or why he came by them - perhaps there was a local chapter here in the Scranton, PA area. Unfortunately, both he and Lynn's dad are now gone.

 

HistoryBuff is gone for a week or so but he will know what is to be known about your patches, they are very nice. I think you can PM him from this site also. Brad

 

Thanks, Brad! I sent him a message asking him to contact me when he gets back. I appreciate everyone's assistance!!!!

 

By the way, when Lynn showed the patches to me yesterday and I couldn't find any active references to them on the web I assumed they were no longer functioning as an organization. I told Lynn I was going to sew one of the patches on my shooting jacket as a historical reference. Not so fast, Batman!!!

 

http://uniquesportingcollectibles.com/Pages/GunClubAwards2.html

Try this site. I found a pin on there that has to do with the Atlantic Indians.

Ctrl+F and type in Indians.

I remember going to a few shoots here in SW PA when I first started that involved two different "chapters" of the Indians shooting org.

If memory serves, one of the groups was the Conneaut Indians.

That site I copied has a lot of really great pins and FOBS from the days of Pigeon shooting championships.

FlyersAREbest.

 

OK guys. I was in the Tuscarawas Indians a bunch of years ago. I think we kind of gave up around the middle of the 1980's. We shot in Pa and Ohio. I would love to get the group going again. Any leads as to the old members. Chief car talk. motordoc

 

Chief Car Talk,

I'm glad to finally learn of someone who was in the Tuscarawas Indians.

Here's their first Pow Wow and tournament.

TUSCARAWAS INDIANS
Organized in October 1964
Tuscarawas Indians Hold First Powwow at Jefferson County SA​

The Tuscarawas Indians held their first pow-wow on July 9-11 at the Jefferson Co. SA in Steubenville, O. Formed in October 1964 by Charlie Quillen and George Levkovitz, the tribe is composed of Ohio and Pennsylvania shooters.
Quillen led Friday’s 16-yard race with 95. Jess Myer and Nick Choma hit 92 each for the class awards in A and C, while Bill Funk’s 93 was tops in B. Robert Jacobs was the D winner with 91, and the same score won the squaw’s honors for Emily Landini.
Ken Alford won the top handicap laurels with 90
[ TRAP & FIELD, September 1965, page 31 ]

 

George was a friend and I was unaware that he actually started the group. Bill Funk had a bad day at one of our shoots and I remember he threw his Bt99 into the garbage can in a fit of disgust.

 

I'd be happy to attempt to answer any questions but as you know, I'm not the brightest HistoryBuff on this Forum but I do my best.

History Buff ....

You my friend are way too modest !!!

Judy just said to me: "Who's he trying to kid"

We cannot imagine anyone in the whole world (No Kidding) that has compiled the information about Trap Shooting History that you have in your files, (and brain).

The things you can recite from memory is uncanny.

Anyone who knows you will say you are modest beyond words though, but ALWAYS willing to share your wonderful history information.

Thanks for sharing our history old Buddy !!!

Dave in Fl.

 

I find History Buff to be amazing and very entertaining with his knowledge of trap shooting ... I would imagine I could sit and listen to a person like him talk for hours about something we all enjoy or have at one time or another ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

You should have been around Bill "Stubby" Funk when the 5 of us shot together everywhere for almost four years running in the late 70's early 80's. He was our lead off man and is one of the most memorable characters you could ever want to meet. I have almost 40 years in the same club as Bill and he was there probably 15 years before me. I can remember things he said and did back then like it was yesterday. The really good ones I can't repeat here.

Bill "Stubby" Funk and Bob "Jake" Jacobs, who's name is in that Indian shoot report, were the best of friends. Stub and Jake KNEW HOW TO HAVE A GOOD TIME at a shoot. And, Bill could shoot well enough that Remington used to toss a couple of full cases of Blue Magics his way a few times a year. Not too many guys received that recognition in our neck of the woods. Not that I knew of anyway.

Talk about laughing your a$$ off. If you dropped a shell while loading you better leave it on the ground and grab another one or you were going to hold the squad up. Fastest damn squad I ever had the pleasure of being a part of.

I haven't talked to Stubby in a few years. I'll have to make a point of getting in touch with him and tell him he was thought of on this site. He will get a kick out of it.

Sorry to kinda highjack the thread. It's just that when I saw Bill's name it brought back a ton of fond memories .

FlyersAREbest

 

If you find him get me his info. I would love to say hello also. He was a fun guy to shoot against and a real party animal

 

Motor Doctor, You mentioned Steubenville. I remember a tri state shoot back in 75 or so that I stood beside the Sheriff a of the county as we gambled on the money wheel.. That was one of the hardest clubs to shoot at in Ohio but was sure a lot of fun.

History Buff I'm glad you posted here, I thought I was going to have to put out a silver alert for you or worse you'd found out the real hiding spot for Punking Flock and been eliminated by evil forces. Brad

 

Lots of gambling at that club. I think someone was getting the $$$$ under the table but I have no proof of that. Tough place to shot in the morning. Against a hill background. Big Calcutta and lots of option money

 

With a heavy heart I have to tell you that I received a phone call this morning around 8:00 from another club member and a really close friend of "The Stubber" telling me that Bill passed away. Yesterday evening.

My God, how ironic that we were just talking about him. I planned on calling the very guy that called me to ask about Bill. I don't know any of the details or even Bill's age. I'm 63 and I know he was older than me by at least a few years.
I will miss his humor and laugh immensely. It is a sad day for all of us that shot with Bill and considered him a great friend.
BTW, if you ever wanted to look up the definition of a Trapshooter, one that worked five days a week, shot 8K to 10K sixteen yard line targets, 3 hole targets mined you, every year for YEARS, and lived to shoot Trap, you would see a picture of Bill" Stubby" Funk.The good ones always leave us way to early. As I said in the earlier post Bill was our lead off man for all those years the five of us shot together.

"Squad Ready? Puller and Scorer Ready? Let's See One"

RIP Pal

 

boy oh boy. I have not mentioned stubby for over about 20 years. Then last night he passed away. I'm so sorry to hear that.Maybe we should not talk about old friends. Nobody mention my name. I'm afraid. All kidding aside. What a shame. He was a really nice guy and I was in several shot offs against him during our indian shoots. Motordoc joe rossman

 

I'm sure there will be a lot of club members coming to pay their respects Joe. Some of them were probably members of the Indians back then. I will make sure I tell them that you were thinking of Stub and the gang.

And after the funeral I think I'll have a Vodka, or as he used to say with a laugh, potato water, and grapefruit juice. Stubs favorite after shoot drink.

He came off the 27 at one shoot and someone asked how he did.

Over one, under one, he said.

WOW, you only dropped two for 98 from the 27?

Naw, I broke 93,,,,, the other 5 I have NO idea where I was.

That was his sense of humor.

 

I think that, when he replies, History Buff will admit that he is in fact a member of the Atlantic Indians.

Ed Yanchok

 

Atlantic City Trapshooting Assoc Home was Chesepeak City Md. Listed by Dun & Bradstreet
IRS Forms were received by the IRS 2011-2010-2009-2008-29-007

Gary Bryant..............Dr.longshot

 

This all goes to show you, never put off until tomorrow what you could do today.

Call a friend when you begin thinking about him / her.

One just never knows.

I am sorry for your loss guys. Stubby sounds like some of the guys we know.

 

I had neighbors that belonged to the Atlantic Indians. They met once a year at the Fred Waring Hotel which was on the Shawnee on Delaware River. I think they shot out over the river. I believe it was a high class group. My neighbors were Dr. and Mrs. Roose and Pi Baillie. Baillie won the shoot one year and the prize was a sculpture of a Mounted Indian. He also won the Ohio State Handicap Championship in 1941. Mrs. Roose also won the Ohio State Handicap Championship in 1955. Dr. Roose lost the North American Clay Target Championship in a shoot off with Joe Devers. There was also revolving Indian Sculpture that stood about three feet tall. Hope this helps.

AWC

 

fritz08,

I found a Mr. George W. Baillie who won the Signal of Peace trophy in 1952. Was his nickname Pi?



Here's the beautiful Signal of Peace and a little bit about it.



The Atlantic Indians Tournament in 1922 was held on the grounds of the Providence Gun Club and at the annual meeting a trophy was presented by this club to the Atlantic Indians for annual competition providing the Indians would present to the winning member a replica of the same. This trophy is a bronze statue entitled “Signal of Peace,” sculptured y Cyrus E. Dallin and cast by the Gorham manufacturing Company of Providence, R. I. It represents an Indian mounted on an Indian pony with uplifted spear, signaling that peace exists. It measures 51 inches to top of spear, 33 ½ to top of hand, weighs 105 pounds, and costs $1,000. The replica measures 16 1/8 inches to top of spear, 10 ½ inches to top of hand and costs $100.000. It is the high gun trophy for the Indian Distance Handicap and all Atlantic Indian members, professional and amateur, in good standing are eligible to win. Invited guests cannot compete for this trophy.
Handicaps are allotted not only on the American Amateur Trapshooting Association averages and known ability but also on the scores and performance of the shooters on the two first days of the tournament, as it is desired to give all shooters a fair and equal chance to win.
At the Atlantic Indian Tournament for 1923, held at the Westchester-Biltmore Country Club, Rye, N. Y., on September 17-19, this trophy was in competition for the first time.

Enjoy Our History

 

History Buff, Yes his name was George. He owned a foundery in town and started me shooting in the early 60's. The Signal of Peace was his most prized trophy.

 

I can believe it was his most prized trophy. Winning it continues to be a tough task even today.

I was fortunate enough to hold the 1926 trophy won by the great Remington professional Fred S. Tomlin. What a thrill even if the spear was broken after all those years. I wonder where the first winner's trophy is right now? That was won by Mark P. Howland with a 95x100 from 19 yards.

 

Those patches are in fact from the Atlantic Indians Trapshooting Association. My father was a member and they were issued on an annual basis at the annual shoot held at Shawnee on the Delaware. My father became a member in the late 1970's, early 80's. Membership was by invitation only, he was sponsored by Dr. Lewis R. Wolf of Philadelphia.
My dad was Karl Weinstetter, he passed away in 2006.

My dad was also very active with Quaker City Gun Club in Northeast Philadelphia (land claimed by the city for Holmesburg Prison expansion) and Pine Belt in South New Jersey.

 

Doc Wolf was one of my mentors when I joined the Atlantic Indians and I knew and shot with your dad many times. Your dad used to come to Bucks County Fish and Game when my daughter and I ran the registered shoots there. Also remember your mom very well.

Ed Yanchok