Why Mexico? Why Mexico now?

Now comes the ATA Board of Directors with a recent move that may be confusing.

The BOD of Directors (Delegates) voted to have Mexico as part of the Southwestern Zone. The minutes say this was an unanimous vote. That is not the information I received.

If this is a great idea, why wasn't this done decades ago? What changed?

I report. You decide.
merlo out

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Thanks to Brandon today the South West Zone is Mexico. Nice to hear you are still alive.

 

Pat….easy puzzle.

There will be Mexican Grandes. Executive Committee Members and ATA Director will be required to attend the shoots.

Well done Amigos. Happy Travels.

 

Attention Phil Kiner

Did you vote for this?

 

Never saw a Meskin National shooting ATA trap.

May have used a stolen trap gun from San Antonio to rob someone.

 

Phil won’t have a problem telling us how he voted.

 

How can any of us attend a shoot in Mexico when you can’t transport a firearm across the border? (W/o a permit from their national defense minister) Did that little detail slip by them? Maybe they think they can write a permission slip like they do for kids in school. This really sounds well thought through.

 

In a few years we'll be a part of Mexico.

 

Mexico will now have as much voting power as the State of Ohio or PA. Considering the corruption in Mexico the ATA could be a good fit.

 

Ha Ha.
Phil has never justified any of his votes publicly that I know.

Paging Mr Kiner.

 

Maybe they will move the mistake, from Sparta to Mexico. Then you can shot trap with a machine gun. The way it looks we will not have many American shooters left, and the ones left could care less how bad the B.O.D. and the E.C. screw up the organization. HOW DID WE LET THIS HAPPED TO OUR ORGANIZATION?
Roger C.

 

Eureka I don’t know what the F your problem with me is
but, I don’t appreciate your disparaging comments.

You don’t know me.

 

Nope don’t know you. I know you are a delegate. I know you have been around a lonng time. So….as a delegate what was your reasoning for voting how you did? Did you vote for adding Mexico? I am guessing questions to a delegate is disparaging. But, I hope not.

Do you have an answer?

 

Sheesh. All someone asked you was to justify your voting record. Paranoid much?

 

ATA numbers in the US are dwindling due to older shooters departing the sport, rising cost to shoot and lack of new shooters entering the sport.

Canada will not be permitted to own guns in my guess another 5 years. The US not too far behind them. Mexico is a outlier straw to grab for to keep registered shooting alive especially where the numbers are (west/south west).

 

Do they shoot a lot of registered targets in Mexico ?

 

They shoot a lot of Mexicans down there. Do not know if they register them. Roger C.

 

All good questions.

About registering Mexicans, I think that depends whom claims the target.

It seems the delegates only come on here to humbly state how many 200 straights they have. Paging a delegate.

 

Do we have Mexicans on the forum?

 

The EC is looking for a way to pump up the membership numbers. Did the B.O.D. vote for this? Roger C.

 

Wonder who will be “elected” delegate at the Mexico State shoot this year. Want to bet one has already been “selected”? Actually how can a country be recognized as a state? Mexico is divided into several separate “states”. I would think each would want a piece of the action.

 

Yes they voted on this Roger. Delegates aren’t talking I guess.

 

No comprende!

 

What is the problem with Mexico? After Title 42 ends there won't be any Mexicans in Mexico

 

I’m neutral on the inclusion in the SW however there is so much ignorance in regards to this. 1. Mexico has lots of avid shotgunners. 2. Mexico has excellent bird hunting. 3. Permits are not hard, in fact easier than many other countries I have been to. 4. There is a highly active pigeon circuit throughout Mexico. 5. Many MEXICAN nationals travel in the SW for shoots already. I would think some of the cold country shooters would enjoy a nice southerly shoot at a destination spot in the winter.

 

It took some time to research this because I didn’t remember it at the annual meeting.
I was about 15 minutes late getting to the meeting and the vote on this occurred before I got there.
Had I been there I would’ve voted for it.

 

This makes way too much sense. That's why i'm not buying it. There has to be a conspiracy.

 

Does this mean we'll have to play the Mexican National Anthem at our PA shoots? Time to brush up on my Spanish! If PA keeps adding anthems the starts will keep getting later and later. Oh well. we played the National Anthem in Canada for the one shooter in attendance so what's so bad about Mexico?

 

digodell I have shot in the south west for 32 years, and have never seen a Mexican shooter of trap. where did you get you info? I have seen a couple at live bird, but none at trap. Roger C.

 

Rog. better brush up on your Spanish since AZ will soon be overrun with illegals if they can find more water. Maybe free shooting will be one of the perks offered to keep 'em happy.

 

I have nothing against Mexico joining the ATA. I do have a problem having them in the S.W. ZONE. They should be in a zone of their own. They are not a state they are a country treat them like one. Roger C.

 

No one answered the OP. Why Mexico? Why Mexico now? I am guessing none of the delegates can answer the question. Kiner couldn’t answer it. He could only say he missed the vote…,which no longer rings true.

Rhode Island and Mississippi don’t have much for trapshooters. So why not Mexico? I think someone gets a bonus for the added members. Jmho

 

Canada’s broken up into different zones. Saskatchewan and Manitoba are in the Central. British Columbia, NW Territories and Yukon are in the Western. Atlantic Provinces, Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island are in the Eastern. Not to mention Brazil in the Southern, Australia and New Zealand in the Western. What makes Mexico so different it needs its own zone?

 

Now that OH and PA have even less voting power but still have most of the shooters, it is even more obvious they need to dump the ATA. OH and PA —- it is time to break away from the ATA.

It is bad enough Mississippi and Rhode Island have the same voting power as PA and OH. Now we have the Cartel across the border.

 

What does the first "A" in ATA stand for? Does this mean the ATA will be voting on a name change soon?

 

mudpack, It stands for AMATEUR .

 

Ahh. At the ATA's inception, the first A stood for American.

 

That’s the old org. That’s the one that had voting rights for life members. Third A for America

 

Yeah, it has only been Amateur Trapshooting Association for about 100 years

 

Really Charles Baker….?

So Charles, looking back at the old minutes, please tell us why the old minutes say Amateur Trapshooting Association of America?

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AMATEUR TRAPSHOOTING ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA MINUTES OF CONTINUING EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING COMMENCING AUGUST 7, 2001
At 8:21 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time, on August7, 2001, Sol Holcomb, President of the Amateur Trapshooting Association of America and Vice-President of its Southern Zone, called this Continuing Meeting of the Executive Committee of the Amateur Trapshooting Association of America to Order, after roll call and confirmation of a quorum. In addition to President Holcomb, those present and answering the roll call were: Southern Zone; Vice-President Phil Wright, Eastern Zone; Vice-President Thomas E. Acklin, Central Zone; Vice-President David Kaiser, Western Zone; and Vice-President Thomas Arvas, Southwestern Zone; Ex-Officio Henry Carroll; Thomas Burkey, Treasurer; Robert E. Melton, Secretary; and Executive Director John Norris. Proper Notice was given for these Continuing Meetings, and all meetings are scheduled to be held in the Executive Committee Meeting Room at the Main Offices of Amateur Trapshooting Association of America, at 601 West National Road, Vandalia, Ohio 45377.
After discussion and on Motion of Vice-President Wright and second by Vice-President Acklin it was unanimously
RESOLVED that the dates for the year 2002 Grand American will be August 8, 2002 through August 17, 2002, inclusive, at the Association's Homegrounds at Vandalia, Ohio.

Tell us Charles if these minutes are 100 years old.

 

The above was the question.

 

More important than what the A stands for, will their be any taco stands at this years grand or would that be racist?

 

Geez! Are you arguing with yourself now? You pointed out that the first "A" in ATA was not "American". I merely affirmed what you posted and noted that it had been "Amateur" for nearly 100 years. Try to keep up!

 

This thread confirms the many elitist attitudes that are contributing to the steady death of this sport. If you don’t want Mexicans, and many others participating, just show them this thread. You will succeed in continuing to have the sport all to yourselves.

 

My organization accepts nearly anyone with cash and a shotgun. In 60 years of active trapshooting I've yet to see a Mexican participating.

 

Clam, Stick it in your ear. How is it going to represent the whole country the size of Mexico? They have many states just as we do, they should have state organizations. They should also have their own zone. Just sticking them in the south west zone is an afront to the south west zone shooters. Roger C.

 

Again I ask, why? Canadian provinces’ memberships are spread across three existing zones but Brazil, Australia and New Zealand are lumped into existing zones as whole countries. I could see maybe splitting up some Mexican states into the Western or Southwestern zones. What makes Mexico so different or so special that it should get its own zone?

 

Dan and Dave have spanish blood in their veins, and were/are/still kool trap shooters in a pinch.