"Annies"

It's amazing that guys can break them on the 3rd shot. Has to be holes in the pattern the size of basketballs.... How is it even possible?

 

It's called choke

 

I get the need for tight chokes but still.... at the range guys are claiming to break targets, doesn't add up.

 

We would shoot those, and when it got down to the end, we would often be standing at about the 50-60 yard line. We loaded 1-1/4 oz of copper 6's at about 1350 fps, and broke targets with good hits. NO BS

 

Ask a old timer his secret -- He said he uses nothing but 9 shot -- I said he was pulling my leg -- then replied "half fours and have fives makes nine ?" For me Its fast loads -hard round shot

 

Ok, but bigger shot means less pellets which means bigger holes in the pattern, no?

 

ASK THE GOOD DR LONGSHOT about IT #3 MEN BUDDY'S

 

Yes bigger shot means less BB's. However, they maintain the energy needed to break the target at longer distances. Small shot will lose speed and energy at those long distances.

 

[QUOTE="chipn100x100, post: --Ok, but bigger shot means less pellets which means bigger holes in the pattern, no?[ Which equals a tighter chokes -- third shot on a Annies is a turkey choke for sure.

 

Hit a claybird at 70 yds with a .22 caliber and it will break. Same with large shot. Make sure there's no houses in the background.

 

Just be careful and put the dense part of your pattern on the target and not the hole part and you should get good results. I think that what we need here is a graph, can anyone help with suppling a graph or a chart? LOL

Dave Berlet

 

Only Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

 

Charts don't rule here anymore...not that they did in the first place.

 

Maybe the graphmaster is related to Lazarus of the Bible.

 

I bet the graphmaster had a few Lasers laying around his "laboratory"

Would that be a Laserass?

 

I've broken some clay targets a long ways away with Federal Premium 2 3/4 inch 4 Dram 1 1/2 oz of copper 4's. My favorite all time duck and goose load.

I shot them at a pigeon shoot one time in Pa., can't remember the name of the club but it was in western Pa., at a miss and out over a valley with the ring about 50 yards to the boxes at least. Worked there too.

More shot and bigger shot are always a help. No graph just experience.

 

1 3/8 Oz. Of 6's at around 1275 will break them just about anywhere.

 

I don't think Annie would be shooting any of those from the hip or over her shoulder with a mirror.

 

I can't believe I've sunk to commenting on a 7 1/2 or 8's thread. Brandon has done this to us. (me)

 

my max load is 33 grs Longshot 1 1/8th oz #6s, nothing bigger, anywhere you wanna go, that's how i became Dr.longshot, I still have a few cases loaded, only in very special do I use 1 1/4 but Never ever, over 10,000psi,my max. then in Rio hull, Rio primer, Windjammer wad, Ask Stormin Norman how they work, and my buddy Jack. line load is 26 grs. 800-x 1 1/4 6s for the money, all same components except 800-x, for the money, off the line it was Longshot, always the tightest choke x-full, The doubter ain't around w/his graph/doubter always argued w/me Neil Winston, he never believed my patterns, always argued w/graphs, you put sh*t you get sh*t ou8t I told Neil. But Me and my buddy took home the money relentlessly. My guns CGs w/full bbl tapered chokes w/long xfull chokes, no choke is tighter than a CG.
I tested all my loads to no end, I had to have the best.

GB...................................................DLS

 

For long Annies (anything over 40-45 yards) my go to load was 1-1/4 #6, 33 grains of Winchester 540 in AA casing with yellow AA wad and Winchester primer. That load will reach out and touch em.

 

Actually, three others did, too: Lazarus, Jairus' daughter, and the son of the widow.

 

During games, I've broken targets from the 27, that were just a few feet off the ground, which would be close to 80 yards.
And I've seen others break targets from 70 paces back from the trap house.

I use a tight Full choke and 1 3/8oz of buffered 6's at 1300 fps....and count on a lucky pellet to crack the bird at those ranges.

 

You can see, and HEAR, all kinds of shells at this place. I shoot 1oz of 6's going around 1300-1350 but some of these guys are shooting stuff that you don't find in any book.

SWPA, Washington County. They take their Annie shooting seriously. They shoot every Tuesday evening/night until 11:00 pm as long as it's not too cold.
Usually 25-30 shooters on the line when the weather is nice.

They poured those long pads you can see in the picture for just that reason. Not only do you have to deal with the distance but also elevation. You can see the 3 sets of steps going down to the trap. They start at the 27 then, after a couple times through the line they walk up the steps to the second level.
When they knock out a few more they walk up the next set of steps to the third level. It's like shooting the birds in the back.

If it gets down to 2 or 3 shooters and they are all breaking them (these boys can shoot) they walk up again to the porch. Nice to go to a place and enjoy what it was like way back when I started and guys would end up in the parking lots. Usually the last "event' of the night was 5 from the porch for $5.00

The biggest "trick" to breaking them from way back? Practice, plain and simple. They only way you can practice is by getting in there and doing it. Doesn't matter what kind of magic bullet you have if you don't know where to send it. That saying, paying your dues, could have started with Annie shooters.

 

When you're shooting targets at 50+ yards, does the shooter compensate for the shot dropping ?
The max I tried was 35 yards back from trap house with fetters 7.5 one-ounce 1290. The few I did hit were solid. I pointed in the same place as I would have for a 16-yard target.

 

Now imagine that you are the 3rd shot from 35 yards.

Whole different world.

 

..and imagine that you are the 5th shot from the 27. The bird is fast approaching ground zero.

 

We shoot Thursday nights until 11:00 at my club. We use a PAT wobble with all the speed it can stand. The same bunch that shoots Tuesdys at the club in the picture. We can't back up into the parking lot because of "club rules".

Usually the last go round is, All IN... ,Shoot as long as it's the air.

The 4th or 5th shooters have a chance if it's a high target. The 6th guy? Poke and Hope!

If it's a low target the 4th guy is lucky to get a shot at all. Always fun when the 3rd guy breaks it and the next two pull the trigger anyway.

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Why is it that right after you make a great 3rd shot and knock two really good shooters out, the next time around when you are the first shooter, you miss a nice easy target and the guy that just started last week puts you on the bench?

And then he says, Sorry, guess I just got lucky ,
as you walk off mumbling to yourself and your "pals" are laughing like a bunch of idiots.

 

Our shoot off pad at the local club is 54 yards from the house.

the absolute best shell I have ever seen for these distances is a Winchester Rooster XR. Whatever resin they are using as a buffer in these shells is no joke. I’ve probably held a 75% or so average with these shells from back there which is WAY better than anything else I’ve ever shot.

and of course I’m out of them and with the shortages were having I can’t find a single one for sale.

 

My problem, as a score keeper, is when they want to play pieces in Annies--When there is a Half, third or even a quart piece still large enough to shoot at, will put the rest out. Your looking at one piece and their shooting at another - Makes a quick Annie -- last 20 man, $60 pot, took just 20 minutes, and another five minutes for the smoke to clear.

 

We have the honor system in which the shooters will say if they broke the piece. Most shooters are excited to see the piece broke ( we call this one after the break) and speak up. You shoot your target and break it, the next shooter gets to try and break apiece. If you miss your target the next shooter gets to shoot and breaks it the next shooter to him gets to shoot at the piece. Each shooters gets to shoot at 5 of their own targets. In theory you could break 5 of your own + 5 pieces. Each shooter keeps his empties separate from his losses. We have each shooter show and tell how many shells they used to break the target and pieces. All ties are shot off. Also the first person in line decides what yardage to shoot from.
This is a lot of fun and challenging. Shoot straight and have fun.

 

The arguments about who broke what are so much more fun.

Most of the time the guy that THOUGHT he hit a target or a piece just sits down and laughs at the rest of the guys still on the line. But, once in a while you get the guy that just won't take "you missed it you're out" for a call and gets all bent out of shape.
We actually had a guy get so jerked he packed up his stuff, got in his car and left.

He came back the next week but he didn't say much. LOL

 

How are you paying out your price money -- 50% of the pot or deduct so much per bird broke?

 

We have a "clicker counter". Every time a bird leaves the house, unless it is broken coming off the arm,, it gets counted. It used to be a dime but now it's 15 cents per bird.
Always rounded up for the club.

25 guys at $2.00 each $50.00
Shoot 80 targets? Club $12.00
Shooter $38.00

80 birds? $12.00 for the club
75 birds? = $11.25 Rounded up to $12.00

At my home club we can't back up so we split the money between the last 2 standing.
We tried shooting it off but that took too long (these guys are pretty good) and the rest of the guys would get jerked because they had to sit around and wait.

That way we get more times to shoot, the guys are happy with the split, and the club makes more because we shoot more targets. Once a night we have a "One Winner" for $3.00 per man and shoot off until there's only the last man standing.

 

At the end of the night I always ran Two Annies and a backup --Half the pot going to each winner and the house gets the other half -- Club raise the price from $4.00 to $5.00 a round for 2022 -- or 16cents to 20 cents a bird --Ask me if I was going to raise my game prices? --Did exactly what you did -- bought a $5.00 counter and started charging 20 cents a bird -- and you are right, the club isn't making as much now than before on Annies-- Back up has stayed the same -- $2.00 X 10 man back up was a $20 pot-- club got $10-- winners got $5 apiece -- At 20 cents a bird it came out the exact same price --. Now I have the board scratching their heads --That $5.00 counter has increased all the Annie pay out and has Kept the back up the same price.