Championship series

Is there any more news on the new championship series

 

Knock, knock, knock,,,,echo.

N1H1

 

Dysinger assessment alert!

 

It will happen. Bet on it. Money and vendor sponsors are higher than expected. Logistics with the clubs are still being worked out.

 

Uhhh, the word BET might not be the best word to use if it involves n1h1

 

Can you give us a quick rundown of the planned rules, merlo? We get it that it's not flyer-like anymore, and the max shells will be 1 oz., but how about shot speed and size, target angles, speed/distance, failures to fire rules if any, that sort of thing. Will all shoot from the same yardage and what distance is that? Will there be singles events too and how will that be classified?

I'm sure many of us are curious how they will differ from the ATA's. Some posters here might have expressed views on the ATA's regulations and now might be a good time to tell them whether they have been "heard" and the rules changed to suit them.

You might also want to reassure potential participants that you have in place effective ways to police the shells and a hint what those ways may be.

N1H1

 

Well ol'N1H1 ..... "You might also want to" keep thinking of ways to dumb-down ATA shooting ..... You know, keeping that "fantastic direction" going YOUR WAY .....

Heck ..... the Mulligans and pick your class and yardage are working so well, just think if you made the targets larger or offered All American Points for pattern board results .....

You should be the poster boy for the EPA getting involved in restricting crayon sales ..... because of the toxic effect on the brain from eating too many .....

 

Does that mean you have no knowledge about how the Championship series will be run/contolled either, U1? My questions sound reasonable to me, why not to you?

It's just a month and a half until the 2018 event; if I were interested in participating and the money were really there, I'd already be loading my look-alike shells.

N1H1

 

Are you telling EVERYONE who reads here that you CHEAT when shooting Trap ?????

 

You would know how likely you are to cheat more than I sir. The shells will be given out at the line.

No more than I have already given you.

There may not be a lone shoot for this year. More than likely 3 or more shoots with the 1st in the spring. I am waiting to hear also.

Good luck with the cheat plans.

I report you decide.
Merlo out

 

N1HI,

Merlo's thread titled Rules and information on Championship Series posted on April 13, 2018 identifies the planned rules.

Garry

 

If than earns you the $50 you owe for that silly bet...….cheat away. I need a new pair of Keds.

 

Heck ..... maybe the great crayon eater loads his own "look-alike shells", for all those silly charts/graphs from the backyard proving grounds .....

A proclaimed cheater always trying to publish junk research ..... NICE .....

What say you ol'N1H1 ..... were YOUR "look-alike shells" something that helped you get the couple of third place finishes you seem to be proud of ?????

 

Great, thanks, Garry. It answers all my questions and looks like fun. I'll be interested in the effectiveness of the one-ounce loads.

N1H1

 

Thought this Thread Topic focused on the scheduled upcoming Championship "Series" not a personal attack. So, does the Series start this year or later?

 

I blocked Neil a long time ago, makes my life a lot easier not to having to put up with any of his BS, I do feel sorry for his dog ... There is nothing he could say or chart/graph that I would be interested in ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

I wouldn't lose much sleep over a "personal attack" toward ol'N1H1 ..... I would think when he chose the path that he and I would communicate on, he felt he could defend himself .....

 

"It's just a month and a half until the 2018 event; if I were interested in participating and the money were really there, I'd already be loading my look-alike shells."

If the money was really there? Yeah right, you would show up and participate in an event that wasn't, what did you call it, Real Trapshooting?

Here's a little fact you might want to remember.

No matter if this shoot happens or not, we know you really couldn't care less, it won't have any bearing on the pathetic turnout that other event is going to get in "about a month".

 

Maybe, maybe not, just don't bet him on it.

 

The Original Poster, a Founding Member on this Forum, still has not received a credible answer to his question. Regards, Ed

 

OP asked: Is there any more news on the new championship series?

Merlo replied: There may not be a lone shoot for this year. More than likely 3 or more shoots with the 1st in the spring. I am waiting to hear also.

 

ol'N1H1 may soon get some of his welfare money from the ATA cash cow at the not-so-grand in BFE ..... then who knows, he may have enough money to pay a chump-change level bet he lost .....

 

What are you doing to help a new series replace the ATA?

 

It doesn't sound like N1H1 is there to help. I haven't seen where anyone said that series is a replacement for anything.

 

Would like to hear more about this event as well? Always nice to see some different competitions being presented!! In the mean time I'd like to invite you all to PA in 2 weeks!!! We'll be giving away a Kolar Combo courtesy of Kolar and Elite Shotguns!!!

http://www.pssashotgunning.org/




Jeff Graupp

 

Jeff > > we were previously told the better banks would be left open for walk-ins. That did not happen. Any promises this time? Who made that decision? Are the better banks more? Who gets their cut of the "more"? I will wait until your post to laugh.

 

There are always spots on "good banks", but like other shoots it sometimes tends to be timing. It depends on the # of flights and you have to remember a couple of things. Those being the attendance and costs to run the line. They both limit our options to allow everyone to shoot on what are perceived "good banks". We do our best to accommodate shooters, and for most events close Bank 6. I've shot on every bank there, and really never noticed an advantage. My observations are a few "good" shooters like certain banks and then everyone else thinks they have to be on those as well. Hope the truth doesn't get in the way of your good laugh!!

 

Truth did not get in the way on that post. Indiana has a draw for banks. And then you add time is everything bs. Sure it is. Due to timing the elite got the picks of banks and squads. Don't bother. Do you think no else sees thru that?

 

They say they will draw for banks on the series shoots. Quite the contrast from DEDPAIR and his PA shoot.

 

Sorry cant speak for Indiana!

 

You not only cant speak for Indiana but not for any of the other shoots that actually have a fair bank system.

Don't think I am picking on PA but you hopped onto a thread that is about a shoot series that has a fair bank system....or so they promise. Yours doesn't.

 

What shoot did you presquad for and not get the bank you asked for? We presquadded for the state shoot and got exactly what we asked for.

Furthermore, for the PA Grand we did not presquad, waited in line like everyone else, and got the bank choices we asked for. I know for a fact that there are squads held on all banks for walkins. Like everything else in life, it is first come, first served.

Can you say the same thing about the CC?

 

and then you say you did not pre-squad. I am calling BS. And when did the CC become the bar? Why cant PA be the bar?

 

Cut all of us a break Jeff-your observation is total BS. The same shooters always get the preferred banks at the preferred times. I suppose it's just good timing according to you but even when new flights are opened the good banks are already taken. Drawing banks eliminate favoritism and by your standards it would be a non-issue. Let's see some of the favorite sons on banks where the sun makes great scoring a bit tougher. While we keep losing attendance (app. 35% in 10 years) it might be a good idea to look at favoritism as a reason why many shooters simply refuse to attend or shoot. Like Skip says changing the mindset at Elysburg is like turning the Titanic. We all know what happened to the Titanic.

 

Two different shoots. One we presqaudded. One we didn’t and we waited in line to squad. We were happy with both outcomes. Where is the BS?

 

Perhaps those same shooters presquad a full squad for every event and get their forms in by the deadline? People who do this will always get priority in squadding. I challenge you to find someone who presquadded a full squad for every event who feel they got screwed by the process.

 

Sure, amazingly, a chosen one who hadn't shot a single ATA target last year ended up shooting all events on bank 3. Next year I'll demand the first Singles squad on bank 3 on every Singles event. Wanna bet it'll never happen? Listen sweetheart, most of us in the know realize choice squads are unavailable to the general public. Deny all you want or stand in line for hours each day and find out the only banks available are 5-6-12. So you believe it's a great idea having 70 yo shooters standing in an endless line for hours and finding out all decent banks are taken? Take your BS elsewhere. Smart shooters have already voted with their feet.

 

Neil, You know I have great respect for your research on shotgun shells.
And, I ain't done the tests.
But I have shot a whole bunch of bunker with international 24 gram shells and have used them for fun from 27 yards hundreds or thousands of times. I have also shot hundreds and hundreds of flats of light 1 oz. (7.5) loads at 27 yards and at those rather quick and often distant and hard to break bunker birds.
They shoot good. They crush birds with a good point.
And I truly believe if the ATA went to 100% 1 oz. loads it would help the sport.
How many kinds of recoil reducers are used by trapshooters? What percent of serious, active trapshooters use recoil reducing stocks? What percent of serious, active trapshooters use release triggers because of their developed flinches?
Do you think that if everyone used 1 oz. loads it would not be a fair fight? Do you think the poor shooters would suddenly beat the best shooters?
Why don't you ever admit that the sport of ATA trapshooting is waning and needs something DIFFERENT to stimulate new shooters? Are you really going to just watch it die out along with the 60 + year olds that still shoot it regularly?
Yours in sport, Jake

 

I stood in line and got banks 1, 2, and 3. There is your proof. Where is yours? But feel free to keep spewing what’s isn’t true. Most events for the past few years don’t even use banks 5 and 6 for the program and they *never* get used for presquadding but don’t let those facts get in the way of the story you are trying to spin. Maybe you aren’t in the know as much as you profess?

 

Why chose banks 1-2 or 3? According to some all the banks at PSSA are equally great and no one has an advantage only shooting the preferred banks. So you must be one of those "chosen ones" I'd say. Please don't deny choice banks are reserved as you just happen to be full of it.

 

"never be used for pre-squading". That's because they're reserved for the unwashed masses called walk-ins. Well, if they're not happy there's always bank 12. Draw for banks just like in FL! Problem solved and probably much shorter lines too. Of course, shooters like Kiner will refuse to shoot unless they get preferred banks. Ask him about his feelings for bank 6 in FL!

 

I can tell you first hand there is no such thing as random bank selection except on a rare occasion, and its a coincidence (??????) that certain shooters, ATA EC, and many on the BOD because they manipulate the system if and when they can to get the Premium banks ... If you ever want to get a sour taste in your mouth deal head to head and face to face with the ATA EC, and the chosen ones on the BOD who put in more demands and want too be treated like Rock Stars and their every whim catered to beside having their expenses paid ... John Norris approached me one year when the Spring Grand was in Phoenix and informed me that it was usual and customary to have set ups and finger food for the Prima Donna's away from the members (the very people they are supposed to represent ) so they can relax in between rounds ... The exchange was not pleasant when I told them they are not going to be catered to so go sit at the bar with the people you are supposed to represent and make sure you put money up, there are no freebies , same goes for the food ... If you wanted to see some looks that could kill I got them but not one of them had the balls to walk up and say anything to my face ... I lost all respect for those involved in the ATA's EC, and many on the BOD then and to date that has not changed ... The ATA is a Cash Cow for the Good Ol' Boys club and they could care less about the membership from my observation ... WPT ... (TAC) ...

 

That's usually the case, as they pay the fee for that privilege, just like every other shoot in the Country.

As you know my wife works at the squadding desk, and I can100% guarantee when new Flights are open, there's 12 new squads available!!

If PA was setup like CC, MI and had all traps in a row I would be confident that we'd rotate. But on days where we start the Top Line Only, the logistics would be difficult and very confusing.

As for the Attendance, it's 99% other issues since across the ATA attendance is down. Perhaps it is the Money aspect, as many have stated on this forum, since the Krieghoff Challenge seems to bring them out for the chance at a $17K Shotgun.

 

So in a few more years of diminishing attendance because of failure to address the issues we'll only need 8 banks-see, that was easy, problem solved. Now even the favorite sons and daughters will get the opportunity shooting banks 5 and 6 with a bad draw.

 

If you randomly show up at the hottest restaurant in town on Saturday night at 7:30 do you expect they will have saved the best table in the place for you, just in case you show up? Of course not. The folks who plan ahead will get the best banks. Your point was, and the one I can prove is incorrect, is that ‘no one other than a chosen few’ can get on the so-called ‘good banks.’ That’s just not true. Plenty of ‘normal shooters’ get to shoot wherever they want just by playing by the rules. If you’re a loan shooter and come strolling into the clubhouse at 10:30am and expect to get the best bank at the best times you’re going to be out of luck unless you get lucky...that’s supply and demand.

The best shooter in the country thinks Bank 8 is the best bank on the grounds. It’s pretty much always available. I still challenge you to find me someone who presquadded at Elysburg who didn’t get what they asked for.

You have been shooting for 50 years, why haven’t you figured out how the game is played by now?

 

You're so full of crap. I've known shooters who stood first in line and still couldn't get those preferred banks. So you believe playing "ring around the Rosie" and getting back in those long lines only to find out new flights were opened but still no openings other than 5-6 and 12-well maybe 7. So Harlan likes bank 8 and does all his shooting there. Please ask him how he likes bank 12. Oh, that's right, he's unlikely to even know where it is.

 

Why do you think he doesn’t shoot bank 12? He plans ahead and presquads just like anyone else can. What banks did your kid and wife shoot this year? I still maintain that anyone who puts in 5 mins of prior planning can avoid the 3 banks you keep bringing up. The only folks who get ‘stuck’ there show up last minute and have to take what is available. Show me anything else in life where the least prepared get the best reward. Sounds like a socialist ideal to me.

 

What banks did my wife and kid shoot this year-mostly 6. Why pre-squad anyway? We learned our lesson years ago getting little of what we asked for and throwing most of 'em back. I see you hate to shoot anything but banks 1-2 or 3. Good for you. I've never been that blessed. Draw banks and watch a few prima donnas stomp their feet and have a pity party! Maybe you should ask Butch B for his opinion on PSSA favoritism.

 

What banks did you get? It is easy to get the banks that very few want.

 

I can only speak for myself. I have shot every PA state shoot since 1973. For years I shot every shoot they had in Elysburg. Now I only shoot the five days of the state shoot and a few hundred here and there at other Elysburg shoots. I no longer shoot PSSA shoots for one reason. They run unfair shoots. The connected ones shoot the banks they want & the rest of us take what remains.

BTW: "the logistics would be difficult and very confusing" NOT FOR ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN.

 

1,2,3,8,&9. What banks did you shoot when you shot for decades with Frank Little & the Rively crew? Did you spend much time waiting in line for squads? I bet you weren’t complaining about fairness then.

 

I will agree that banks 8 & 9 are easy to get. The others not so easy. Now for some corrections to your comments: I at most shot the 1986-1992 state shoots with Frank Little. At that time there was a grand total of one squad that was not offered to everyone. Woody Brown pulled a single squad and some of use shot with him. No pre-squading and when the window opened up only one squad was not available to the first person in line. During this time I was a club delegate and tried to get scrambled banks at every meeting. You can see how that worked out. When they bought the first automatic traps anyone that bought a trap was awarded the bank of their choice for a number of years. Dr. Rively bought a trap and I shot with him. If you were ever at any state meetings you would recall that I always had something to say in favor of scrambling the banks. Just one more comment, one year Woody decided we should shoot the worst bank on the grounds. It was the corner bank before the top line went straight. His reasoning was "if Frank shot it everyone would want it". Well it did not work out the way Woody planned, but we did in fact shoot the entire state shoot there that year. Also, I don't know what is wrong with bank 12 Woody pulled it for us one year. With Woody we moved to different fieds I can remember winning the doubles championship from bank 12 and bank 4. That was when doubles were shot 30 20 30 20. The year Huber & Little tied for the handicap championship we shot on bank 9 for that race. Back in the day we would pull 300 squads in to the state shoot and everyone had a pick of nay squad except ONE that Woody had. Now they give away a $20,000 gun and can't pull in 250 squads. Maybe reserving 25% of the banks for a select few is not helping.

 

I witnessed first hand xeroxed ata cards being hand punched in to the system and I'm sure it wasn't for bank 6!!!

 

Oh, oh. Say it isn't so!

 

So let me get this straight? You have been shooting on the privileged squads since Reagan was president, don’t get that same treatment today, and feel the need to now complain about how unfair the process is? And the dumbasses on this site like that?

You say you don’t shoot PSSA shoots because they are unfair....where do you shoot where squads aren’t held for the local hotdogs? Have you tried squadding in Ohio? Do you think that is more fair? At least in PA they close the banks that no one wants to shoot on instead of forcing people to shoot the clearly bad banks Go look at the Grand presquadding and see how many squads are blanked out on the best banks. How come no one here is complaining about those places? I still maintain Elysburg isn’t as bad as those above make it out to be. Pretty much anyone can get any bank they want for any shoot with just a little bit of preplanning.

 

I'll type slower for those with reading comprehension problems. Woody Brown pulled a squad for us for 5 or 6 years. Rively had a squad for (I think) five years. Since Woody passed & Rively's buy a trap expired my pre-squading has not been good. I went to OH one time and I will not go back. I'm currently @ the WV State Shoot & was at the VA State Shoot last week. Everyone stands in line and we had no problem getting any bank we wanted. Today for the singles they just announced for the second hundred the traps will be shifted. Seems fair to me, bank of your choice for one hundred & a different bank for the second hundred. I have also been shooting the Maine state Shoot for the past 10+ years. Scrambled banks there. I have been shooting the Southern Grand & the FL State Shoot for the past few years. Again, scrambled banks there. PA & the Grand are the only two place I shoot that have unfair squading. The Grand is better for squading now that Big Bob is gone. No need to pre-squad there. I can get the banks I want after I arrive on the grounds.

 

"have you tried squadding in OH". Sure have, but the worst banks in OH are probably better than the best banks in PA. No comparison. The only reason banks 5-6 aren't used because of diminished turnouts.

 

Oh yes, I've been shooting the SW Grand & they scramble the banks there.

 

Please PM me your name and ATA # and I'll personally file the complaint with the PSSA Manager! But I can save you some time, as I would be 100% certain that doesn't happen as I know everyone in Squadding, including my wife.

They're in fact not used because of all the complaints about them. So unless you were taping my Phones, I doubt you were privy to the conversation we had when I was putting the Pre-Squadding forms together for the program?

 

Look Jeff, nothing but denials are always the end result of any complaint. Looks like someone at the customer service desk got busted. Banks 5-6 are infrequently used and only during times of peak capacity. If other events had a sufficient turnout those banks would be utilized again for the unwashed masses. With a 35% dropoff in attendance in 10 years with no end in sight you might just prepare to bulldoze those unneeded traps and put in a bunker or maybe even a skeet range-ha ha.

Look Jeff, the only way to prevent those long squadding lines and make the system fair is to scramble banks. In the meantime accusations of favoritism will never go away. Maybe you should ask Butch for his opinion. I'll betcha he's not alone in his thinking and has been in the game far longer than you and the others. Just for your info I shot Elysburg when the traps were located in front of the old clubhouse. We somehow survived a bit of sun in our eyes with black rimmed white targets in the 3-hole.

 

Oh my dear Jeff, you have been sucked into Jonestown. Stay away from the Kool-aid!!
Filing a complaint will have the same effect as not filing a complaint as he was standing right there making sure that "they" got their squad!!!

 

Sorry you got the wrong idea about what happened, but can only assume you saw an individual who had patiently waited for a new flight to be opened. When that was about to happen, the Manager made them aware of it and personally saw to it that they were accommodated! That's customer service, and nothing more! So you are correct in assuming that a complaint would in fact be useless, as there's nothing to complain about. Also our squadders can't type in ATA #'s, a card must be swiped, so not sure what a Xerox copy would do to help them? Hope this puts your mind at ease, and if not, feel free to stop by classification during either of our next 2 shoots and I'll personally see you are heard. Thanks!!

 

How many of you guys ever shot at the Vegas and Reno clubs years ago. When you picked a squad you shot that same squad for every event for the entire shoot. Steve pulled a pill for the starting trap each morning. Sage hill did the same thing. One of the top shots always seemed to shoot in front of the club house at Sage Hill every event every day. When the manager was told of this and what would happen if it continued, she stopped the favoritism the next day.
We pulled a pill for the starting trap at the old Phoenix club every morning or evening for the next days shoot. I did the pre squads for the shoots at Phoenix T&S club. You have no idea how many friends I had. I told them the presquads are pilled up as they are recieved and are then taken in order, no preferance are applied.Roger C.

 

So no more need to stand foolishly in a long line waiting for a new bank to open with preferred squads. Simply go to customer service and wait for that special bank, hand in your special squad xeroxed copy with ATA numbers and voila-all is well again. Looks to me like someone overstepped their boundaries. At least I know now the procedure to get preferred banks and squads while other lowlifes stand in line for hours. Thanks!

 

Hey Rodger, 30 years ago I shot Vegas & Reno. Many eastern shooters would not go to Reno because of "what you speak". They pulled the pill one day and my friend (AP) & I went into the office to get a new squad. While we were pleading our case Dan B came in and said "I need a new squad". We all got what we asked for. One day Dan B was on a squad with the letter "B" after the number. It was the second squad with the same number to shoot on the good traps.

 

As you're well aware you can't squad at the customer care desk! And if bank rotation is so important, and certain banks make a difference, you appear to have a very competitive Singles average your last 1000 targets there, so assume you had to have shot on banks 2,3 or 1?

 

Did you type that?

 

Mr. Dead Pair who ever you are. I most certainly squaded for the state shoot at the "customer service desk". She squads lots of people and if you don't want to believe it I'll go there with SKIP & you and we will ask her. I don't need to hide my identity.

EE Bornman
ATA #4405566

Hope no one uses my number to "waste a squad". That is the practice being used to get a new bank opened. You need to get out more who ever you are and see how the poor foke get bye.

 

For those that don't get to Elysburg much. Here is how I've seen it work. You ask one of the girls to watch for a new flight to open and you give her your numbers or cards if necessary. When a flight opens she puts your squad on the bank requested. Sometimes it is necessary to speed up the process. One way is to "squad a friend" or two on unwanted squads. Been done many times, but it is a PITA. If you care to notice there are always a squad or two of top shooters shooting on the best traps in the last flight. I like my method better, just shoot somewhere else.

 

Mr. DedPair, I did not witness this at the regular squadding windows. This was at the service window over by the office. I am not blaming the lady behind the counter who punched the numbers in by hand, I will place that blame on the higher-ups. I am just making it clear to you, the one who vehemently denies that preferential treatment does not happen, that in fact, it does and the manager is just as guilty. This was not a matter of customer service and if it was, why do we not know about this practice. I stand in line for an hour, get to squadding only to be told bank 5-6-12. I go back to the end of line and the process starts again. So, you're telling me that I can just go to the special service window and she'll hand punch my number in so I can get preferential treatment and a better bank selection???? Wow!!! Thanks for inside tip!!!

 

ebsurvayer, I was there at that shoot. that was what I was referring to. Pat McCarthy was also there we are the two that told Darlene, if that kept happening we would never come back. I really do not think she cared, Roger C.

 

Butch feel free to PM me anytime, as I'm done trying to reason things out about this over an open forum. Since the new Manager took over, we've tried to move away from whatever percieved special treatment was being given, and be more customer friendly. And yes people have started to put in shooters who are not attending, so that management has to open a new flight. And apparently I was unaware that you could squad at the courtesy desk, but would assume it was only for issues that couldn't be handled at the squadding desk????

You all win and done posting about this, since my words are once again being twisted to suit a narrative!!

Jeff Graupp
83-02104
ATA Life Member
PSSA Publicity Manager

 

BOOM!!!!!

 

It's OK Jeff. You certainly can take your ball and go home-mommy's waiting. The proof was in the pudding. Thank Believer for an astute observation and may it be a lesson to all involved. Some are watching and let's hope this issue will never happen again. Preferential treatment must disappear and fairness must return to squadding. #scrambledbanks

 

I’m really curious what the major transgression involving preferential treatment at the customer service window really was that has everyone bent out of shape. From the descriptions above it is not really clear. What I am guessing is that a full squad was presquadded following the rules and a shooter that was presquadded couldn’t make the shoot or event. The customer service girl will gladly take an ATA # from someone on that squad and switch the absent shooter for one who will fill that spot. This is a much better way of doing things than leaving holes in squads, especially on the ‘good’ banks one gets by presquadding early. This is also good customer service.

I’m not sure what shoot this was but I shot a bit with Pat and I can assure you no one in Pennsylvania is bending over backwards to give us any preferential treatment!

I’m also amused that folks think that girl has access to secret squads that can be handed out at request of the privileged few.

 

Here is how it works, if you are connected. She holds your cards or written down numbers until GOD opens a new flight. Then she squads your squad on the bank of your choice. Now that the cat is out of the bag this practice might stop. But, if you are truly connected at Elysburg you just get what you want. No one from OH gets preferential treatment unless they shoot with the in crowd. Here is another fact, two time my pre-squad (all 5 posts) was put on bank #6. No one will ever convince me that Elysburg operates on a level field and I'm the guy that did the surveying layout.

 

JohnWick remains in denial. It's obvious he can't understand facts. I suppose he believes there were no open vacancies on any other squad that didn't receive special treatment. Neither does he understand it was a FULL squad that customer service took special care of. The bottom line John is they were caught and no backpedaling can change what happened. Please don't drink the Koolaid.

 

Hey look I agree with you! I kind of think that there were no full squads available and the nice lady who does the squadding did help a full squad get squadded when new flights became available. I hardly call that special treatment. Did any of you ask if you could do that too? I’m pretty sure if she did it for one squad she would do it for others. Again, it’s called customer service. I personally wouldn’t want to be on the last flight out in every event but if you think that’d so awesome have at it. Besides, according to the know-it-all’s in this thread everyone who gets special treatment gets the secret bank 2 squads and wouldn’t have to wait in line. You’d think the guys on here who have been shooting for 50 years could figure out how to get squadded.

 

By the way. I just did some back of the napkin math. It’s not uncommon for an event at Elysburg to have 200 squads. That’s about 17 flights/squads per bank. That’s is 50 squads available on banks 1, 2, and 3! Enough capacity for 250 shooters! Just how many people are in on this preferential squadding scheme that no one can ever get a squad there?

 

Just for clarification: Wed = 80 squads, Thur = 125, Gun day = 250, Sat = 200 & Sunday = 160. , BTW bank 1 sucks, as does 5, 6, 7 & 8. I wouldn't know about 9-12 as I don't go down to the low rent area.

 

Wick, you seem unwilling to understand that the squadding lines are often out the door. Since you suggest it's best to just hunker over to customer service, bypass those long lines, demand your own special squad, and urinate on all those unfortunate idiots still standing in line I believe you actually did drink the Koolaid. I think it may be time to also get your eyes checked as some sort of blindness may be setting in. FYI, I'm positive full squads are always available on banks 5-6 as I've stood in that line many times-bum hip and all. They also are the banks that finish up way before the rest.

 

I just checked my receipts and I was on squad 99 on Wednesday and 124 on Thursday. There were several flights after us, we weren’t even close to the last squads out since we presquadded. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your story.

I’d think that if there are only 3 banks on the ground you are willing to shoot you should cozy up to one of the 50 people you think get preferential squadding.

 

Nor did you shoot banks 5 or 6. If you enjoy sucking a-- good for you-it's not my bag. Looks to me if I sign up for my local lodge I'll be greeted with the customer service girl's open arms for those special squads.

 

Just for clarification: 408 shooters max on Wed (about 81 full squads) & 742 on Thursday (about 148 full squads, I stand corrected) . Maybe they use the sparta method of squad numbering. My goal is not to shoot a certain bank it is to move the prima donnas off of banks 2 and 3.

 

Wouldn't you just love to view the squad sheets from bank 3 and see the repetition???

 

Maybe I'll take you up on that at the next shoot and start writing down names for an independent survey. The results could be interesting.

 

prima donnas don't shoot early so you might see a squad of peons in the early or late flights.

 

Merlo answered my question 7 days ago. Thanks Merlo. Some people let N1H1 troll you, then thing go off the track. Why don't shooter that are PO about the PA shoots pick up your ball and go home, or start another thread.

 

The thread continued no thanks to you.

 

No issue oldskt94. Good information here. Information is good. I find Eburveyor a great read. Comparing these issues with the upcoming Series of shoots could be good.

I report. You decide.
Merlo out.