POLL - Punishment for ATA cheaters - And those that overlooked it? POLL

Should punishment be handed out to those that systematically participated in cheating in the ATA? I am asking because the topic has made it’s way to the forum.

I report. You decide.
merlo

 

If an individual has to cheat in a sport then they should find something else to do. If they are caught and found guilty, punishment should be swift, their name should be released, and not allowed to participate for 1 year, and if repeated, banished for life. Just my opinion.

 

grizquad, If we had an organization with honest leaders it would happen, We do not, they are as slippery as the cheaters. They knew the rules were not being followed and did nothing to correct them, in fact they enabled them. The B.O.D. is a useless as tits on a boar hog, and the EC's are as bad.
evil will prevail. when men of honor do nothing to correct it, Roger C.

 

I voted for throwing out all those clubs that participated. Trapshooting needs fewer places to shoot and soon without clubs sending in fees the ATA will go bankrupt. I'll start a list.

 

Curious, what does the current literature say regarding cheating?

 

I think that is why Macadoo Ridge (West Virignia) no longer holds the WV State shoot.....

 

What are examples of cheating? (What to look for)

 

illegal shells.

 

I agree, illegal shells are a no no. BUT in reality, anyone that is going to win an event that is worth talking about is not going to win by way of having faster shells or larger shot size. Checks and balances for sure. But in the world of trapshooting....what is it like (don't quote me, I'm guessing ) 10% of shooters win 90% of the prizes?

 

LCH, That is about the average percentage for any game requiring skill. Most shooters shoot to win, but most are not capable. Either by not having the physical dexterity, lack of determination or experience. Roger C.

 

I was giving just an example.

 

How about shooters that don't present an updated average card at classification? I believe it's still in the rule book isn't it? Or perhaps the rule about known ability?

 

The "known ability" rule is reserved for the chosen few.

 

James344 When I was tournament director for the osta and CC the number of shooters who had an up to date average card was less than half. They all thought it should be in the computer.

 

We have a Past ATA President that doesn't like to shoot at right angles from post 5 when shooting from the 27.

 

I vote to punish them and banish them.
I really cant spend the money and time to shoot for my AVG but for me I ended up in penalty Class and Yardage as my AVG. Is that cheating?
I don't think it is, but I might be wrong.
Would I be in trouble if I had a good day and shot Penalty that day and won it? Just asking?

 

Depends how you define cheating.

 

I don't care if ya shoot 3.25 dram #6.

Just don't turn down targets because you're looking elsewhere when it's a legal target

 

Iowaguy, If you get yardage while shooting penalty yardage. it is from the penalty yardage not your previous yardage. Roger C.

 

Speaking of the Average card in todays world it should only be used as a personal reference since anyone can look up anyone's averages and yardage either with a phone or computer almost instantly. Yes there is a delay in scores updated if you shoot every weekend but these shooters classification don't change much.

 

That is correct.

 

I witnessed some..unorthodox ref calls on unshootable targets because the shooter was..too good to have missed that target. I’m not good enough to be in contention so no worries for me but what fun is it to win when you’re asking for and getting considerations because the wind caused the target to dip or lurch? I guess it’s nice not being so uptight that you can’t enjoy the socializing aspect of shooting competition.

 

Are you saying he shot at a target, missed it and it was ruled "unshootable" and not ruled lost? Tom

 

Lloyd Reed, first note that referees are only used in shoot offs. Second, there is no such thing as an “ unshootable target”. The shooter is not required to shoot at an illegal target, but if he does, the result MUST be scored. If you observed something other than that happening with both the ref and the scorekeeper, I hope you did two things; report it to shoot management, and write a complaint letter to your delegate. See your rule book for the requirements of a complaint letter.

 

I think everyone who knowingly shot 2-hole targets and every club manager who set 'em should be permanently banned from the ATA. I hope that includes today's club managers and shooters. We should include every shooter that asks for a reset when the targets are found perfectly legal-wasting time and targets-an additional expense. That should fix the ATA!

 

Hmm, 10 hours and no bites on the bait.
Go figure