Extreme Black Mold Issues In Rauners WSRC IDNR Budget?

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  1. merlo

    merlo Mega Poster Forum Reporter

    Anyone have an update as to who would be in charge of solving possible mold issues at the WSRC . In the minutes Executive Committee Meeting
    AUGUST 4, 2014 – Page 32-33

    Vendor Buildings
    Several sponsors reported extreme black mold in the vendor buildings and had to spend staff time cleaning the mold from surfaces. This has been an issue in these buildings for many
    years. A long term solution is needed.


     
  2. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    Try a 2-4 % of Bleach w/water and spray the mold several times
     
  3. LadyT

    LadyT Mega Poster

    Usually certified hazmat people are brought in to handle the situation. Of course the building will have to be closed to do the cleaning.
     
  4. PumpgunBob

    PumpgunBob Well-Known Member

    Empty or unoccupied buildings are prone to some mold growth. Especially if the HVAC system has been shut down.

    Easily cleaned up.

    Could find mold in any building . Any building with moisture and poor ventilation, even your house.
     
  5. rookieshooter

    rookieshooter Mega Poster Forum Leader

    Great, now we got to worry about Legionnaires' disease.
     
  6. Seitz9010

    Seitz9010 Mega Poster

    Easily cleaned up. Right up to the point any local or state authority gains knowledge of the mold on a public place. Ever try to sell a house with mold? Open a store with mold? Mold is still high up on the list of concerns our authorities are focused on. Yep, easily cleaned up unless the cleanup is overseen, then it's a major problem. Things aren't wiped down they're replaced.
     
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  7. Ford

    Ford Member

    Were you in the French Foreign Legion? If not then don't worry about it.

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  8. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    EDUCATION 2 days
    Running out of cash, CPS tells principals to stop spending
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    Chicago Public Schools CEO Forrest Claypool at the Sun-Times editorial board in November. | Rich Hein/Sun-Times

    Lauren FitzPatrick
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    Fran Spielman
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    Chicago Public School principals were being instructed on Wednesday to stop spending money because the broke school district that has already imposed budget cuts, layoffs and unpaid furlough days is running out of cash to make a giant pension payment on June 30.

    And warnings to get ready for a “lean July,” the first month of the new fiscal year, left them with many questions about how to plan to open school doors on time in September.






    CPS officials told their principals in a webinar that the district was stockpiling remaining cash to make a $688 million pension payment on June 30 — weeks before new property tax revenue was expected to hit CPS bank accounts.

    Any expenditures over $5,000 will need the approval of the school’s network chief, the next layer of management above principals. And principals who still needed to buy supplies were encouraged to do so out of federal and state funding sources, rather than money directly from CPS, according to the presentation obtained by the Sun-Times.

    CPS had banked on $480 million from Springfield to balance its budget and conceded Wednesday that the money isn’t coming.

    “To ensure that we will have enough cash for through year-end, we need your help,” the presentation read.






    The district aims to save $45 million total from schools, with each of the geographic-based networks given a savings goal to hit. Principals need higher approval to fill any vacancies, too, the district continued, saying, “please only fill jobs that are absolutely essential for students.”

    CPS spokeswoman Emily Bittner characterized the spending freezes as “voluntary,” something several principals contested.

    “Principals’ hard work has already prevented significant cuts to the classroom this year, and their voluntary diligence in slowing spending for the remainder of the semester will balance our need to conserve limited resources while educating our children,” Bittner wrote in an email.

    She said that network chiefs will work with principals to figure out how much money can remain unspent while purchasing needed items.

    CPS told principals to ask themselves if an expenditure is absolutely necessary for children rather than if it is what’s best for children, according to Wendy Katten, of the parents group Raise Your Hand, who spoke to principals about the presentation.

    “It’s only going to get worse as decision makers keep ignoring the reality that we can’t cut our way out of this, kids can’t afford to lose anything more in this district,” Katten said. “They’re already not getting basic, core programs and courses in many schools. It’s atrocious, it’s just hideous that kids are bearing the brunt of all of these bad decisions that have been years in the making.”

    Raise Your Hand has historically criticized contracts it considers unnecessary as CPS cuts staff, but Katten said funding solutions are more complicated than pointing fingers, and should come from many sources.

    One elementary principal who asked not to be named because the principal was not authorized to speak publicly on the issue, said school leaders were given totals to retain in school accounts — for example, $50,000 or $75,000 or $100,000.

    Principals squirreled away money all year, the principal continued, expecting that cuts would come mid-year. Through that careful planning, many schools were able to avoid layoffs last month after CPS imposed a nearly 5 percent cut to per-pupil funding. CPS CEO Forrest Claypool, who led the webinar, even applauded their creativity and foresight at a recent Board of Education meeting.

    Those same principals now feel foolish for being so frugal because the money the district wants could have been spent on supplies or staff or more services for students, the principal said.

    A second elementary principal added that colleagues have not been definitively told whether the savings would be restored once property tax money begins rolling in, or whether the losses would be permanent. So ordering new curriculum at the end of the school year, as many do so supplies will be in place before the first day of classes, might not be possible this spring.

    While CPS continues to seek pension help from a deadlocked state legislature, it still hasn’t reached a contract agreement with its teachers union.

    Mayor Rahm Emanuel all but urged the Chicago Teachers Union to call off an April 1 “day of action” that threatens to deny Chicago Public School students a day of learning.

    CTU President Karen Lewis has not said precisely what the union intends to do on that day, though in flyers and on Facebook, the union called the event “Shut It Down.” It might just be a giant downtown rally to protest several issues: budget cuts, a threatened phase-out of the Board of Education’s 7 percent “pension pick-up” and three unpaid furlough days mandated by Claypool, Emanuel’s handpicked schools chief.

    “On April 1, 2016, we are asking all concerned Chicago citizens to unite in a day of action by withholding your labor, withholding your dollars, boycotting classrooms” and a slew of other actions, the CTU wrote on Facebook.

    Whatever form that protest ultimately takes, Emanuel argued that it’s ill-advised.

    “The adults belong at the negotiating table and our children and our teachers belong in the classroom . . . Kids belong in school learning,” the mayor said.

    Last month, the CTU’s 40-person bargaining unit unanimously rejected a new four-year contract that would have given teachers small annual pay raises, capped the number of charter schools at 130 and ruled out economic layoffs in exchange for teachers picking up their full, 9 percent pension payments.

    Lewis recommended the contract but was unable to deliver the approval of her members because of what she called a “lack of trust in CPS” and what she called the district’s “weasel language” in previous contract talks.


    This just in : WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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  9. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    The Mold issues will not be addressed in Gov.Rauners, WSRC/IDNR budget because he does not and has not had a budget or even a compromised budget agreement since 2015 ... There is speculation that there will be a BUDGET or a compromised budget for 2017, as of now this is "Tentative, Possible, probable, maybe, and or there may be an MOU issued at a later date if there is no progress in the talks that have been scheduled but no date has been set or agreed upon as of yet, so it will be put on the "tentative, possible, probable, maybe, MOU schedule that will be issued if all else fails and they can agree on a date at a later date tentatively any way ... The State of Illinois is losing residents faster than the remaining residents can make Babies to balance the off set and stabilize the population and to keep from losing tax payers, so they can agree on or compromise a budget sometime/anytime in the future ... In the mean time there will be NO BUDGET TALKS until farther NOTICE , probably (for sure) ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  10. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    The WRSC Mold issues are health related, and should be a deep concern of Vendor Lease Agreements. I would not want a leased building w/Mold Issues, and with Patrons coming into a Mold infested Building makes the Vendor Responsible of Unhealthy establishment. Vendors should ask the Illinois Health Dept for an inspection of their building and advise them of health issues. I being an Building Inspector here in Ohio would advise that action be taken. Just before the First Event of the Grand being shot, If it is even open.

    Yours in Sport
    Gary Bryant...............................Dr.longshot
     
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  11. theloudone

    theloudone Guest

    Why wait till the first event of the Grand? I would think of my employees and the health of the kids in AIM before a petty attempt at trying to screw with the ATA.
     
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  12. delta3

    delta3 Member

    I do not think the op said there is mold. Only implied that they should be budgeted for it again. And that the buildings have a mold history.
     
  13. jkr

    jkr Member

    From petful.com

    Toxic mold is a scary thing. ... While we consider the side effects and symptoms that toxic mold might present in humans, many people do not know that toxicmold can hurt or kill pets as well.
     
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  14. Kiehl

    Kiehl Well-Known Member

    This article on mold is scary. LS is an inspector.
    Black Toxic Mold Removal, Remediation, Moving Home ...
    blacktoxicmolds.com/black-mold-removal.php These can contaminate your home, perhaps even beyond repair. The goal of black toxicmold removal is not to kill the mold. Instead it is to completely remove the mold from your home. Materials that the black toxic mold is growing on, such as drywall, must be cut away and removed all together.
    ...................

    Is this right doc?

    The governor should be told so he can put this in the IDNR budget.
     
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  15. langer

    langer Well-Known Member

    Is this and IDNR problem? Are you sure they have to remedy potential mold issues?
     
  16. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    Toxic Mold is a Health Hazard, someone will have to attend to getting rid of it or the Health Dept. can (should) lock the buildings down (Red Tag) ... If there are MOLD issues and they go unattended and anyone gets sick or has a reaction to it they are setting them self up for a major law suit being as they know it exists (if it exists) ... The vendors should demand it be taken care of (eliminated) as part of the rental agreement to eliminate problems and possible legal recourse ... I would not sign any waivers taking the responsibility off of the State of Illinois if I were a vendor ... The State does not have any funding available to pay for the remedy , that could result in a problem ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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  17. butterly

    butterly Mega Poster

    Federal Money should be available for this. FEMA trailers could be used as a substitute for vendor buildings.
     
  18. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    The State of Illinois is "Self Insured" posted on today's up dates on the States web site, the State is not paying on accidents their vehicles have been involved in to the tune of over $550,000 and counting because they do not have the money to pay ... It sure does not make sense that they would not pay more accumulated bills and get involved in Toxic Materials on buildings that will be used for 2 or 3 weeks (or Months) for the grand ... Not sure the Feds would get involved in State owned property's , when they have nothing to gain by it ... Disasterville ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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  19. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    Kiehl: That is correct, the Black Mold is very dangerous, a building can be condemned if not corrected QUICKLY, Destruction and burning will be needed.

    Have you ever seen a Repossesed home w/mold, all drywall, and insulation must be removed, then sometimes that is not enough, and home has to be destroyed,
    even then it is in the foundatuin/block walls even poured walls. The health Department can have building destroyed, If I was a vendor I would contact the Illinois Health Dept for an evaluation before I spent a dime for lease.

    Yours in Sport
    Gary Bryant...............................Dr.longshot
     
  20. Roger Coveleskie

    Roger Coveleskie State HOF Founding Member Member State Hall of Fame

    In the state of Arizona if you sell or convey a building that you know is infected with mold to anyone buyer or renter, YOU are criminally liable for any health problems the occupiers may have due to the mold, even for their death if it is directly from the mold problem.

    I have seen homes that had the mold dripping from vents in them. I could not get out of them quick enough. I was told by a rehaber that the only way to get rid of a bad case is to strip the house down to the two by fours and spray and then rebuild. Roger C.
     
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  21. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    Black Mold causes Brain Damage, Lung Infections, Cancer and even death, If Black Mold particles are breathed the Mold grows in the HUMAN BODY it grows and worsens day by day until it is properly treated it is called a Mycovirus, extremely dangerous, Google Black Mold Symptoms.

    Yours in Sport
    Gary Bryant.......................................Dr.longshot
     
  22. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    Houses and buildings left w/0 heating and cooling operational develop Black Mold due to Moisture going un-checked, Homes under Foreclosure the Banks/Lenders turn off the Electricity and Blow Out water lines, drain Hot Water Heaters, add Anti-freeze to traps and toilets to stop freeze damage in cold climates. Tis also turns off sump pumps that let water stand in Basements, I have seen it 6 ft deep, and Mold Growth you would not believe.


    GB....................................DLS
     
  23. delta3

    delta3 Member

    Not a major problem. Give your child an epi pen before sending him to Sparta.
     
  24. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    RAUNER’S PROPOSED BILL WOULD GIVE THE GOVERNOR THE ABILITY TO BALANCE THE STATE’S BUDGET
    BUDGET + TAX / Article
    March 16, 2016
    In light of the Illinois General Assembly’s refusal to pass a balanced budget, the Unbalanced Budget Response Act is a prudent measure that would temporarily allow the governor to shift funds and reduce spending to balance the state’s budget.

    In his recent budget proposal, Gov. Bruce Rauner asked the Illinois General Assembly to pass the Unbalanced Budget Response Act, a bill that would temporarily allow the governor to reduce certain state spending and transfer certain state funds to balance the budget.

    Perhaps some people are wary of this because they don’t like the idea of giving a governor more power. After all, the executive branch of government has already assumed a lot of power, especially at the federal level, where presidents and agencies under them have long used executive orders and regulations to effectively rewrite the law. Illinois agencies have been guilty of this, too. And of course it’s understandable that Illinoisans would be reluctant to put more trust in an office that has had past occupants who have committed felonies and gone to prison at an extraordinary rate.

    But there’s no reason for anyone who cares about limited government to fear Rauner’s proposal. In fact, it might be the only way to ensure the state will respect the Illinois Constitution’s limit on its spending in the near future.

    Rauner’s proposed Unbalanced Budget Response Act would temporarily authorize the governor to:

    • Set aside money as “contingency funds” to make sure the state can pay for core services without having to borrow more.
    • Reduce rates the state pays to service providers.
    • Move unspent money out of certain special funds and into the state’s general-revenue fund.
    • Change or delay payments under continuing appropriations.
    The Illinois Constitution provides that the state’s “[a]ppropriations for a fiscal year shall not exceed funds estimated by the General Assembly to be available during that year.” In other words, in a given year, the state may not spend any more than it expects to take in.

    Springfield politicians, however, have routinely ignored or evaded the state constitution’s balanced-budget requirement by using borrowed funds and dubious accounting, and the state hasn’t actually had a balanced budget since 2001. As a result, the state is on track to spend more than takes in – to have an unbalanced budget, only without an actual budget.

    And for nearly a year, the state hasn’t had a budget at all. Last June, Rauner vetoed a budget because it was unbalanced and therefore unconstitutional. The General Assembly failed to override that veto, and since then it hasn’t passed new budgets for fiscal years 2016 and 2017, even though Democrats have veto-proof supermajorities in both houses, which should allow them to enact any budget they want.

    But even without a budget, the state has kept on spending. Some of that spending has been the result of “continuing appropriations” in the law, which authorize certain spending (conveniently including payment of legislators’ salaries) to automatically occur each year. Some of the spending is the result of court orders requiring the state to spend money on certain things. And some of it has come from appropriations Rauner signed to allow spending in specific areas, such as education, to continue.

    The act would leave certain funds untouched, including those devoted to schools, early childhood education, and debt service.

    And the governor’s ability to reduce spending in other areas would not be unlimited: He could make changes only to the extent necessary to prevent the state from spending more than the constitution allows.

    No one considers this bill ideal, including Rauner, because it’s not how spending is supposed to happen. The General Assembly is supposed to make appropriations as part of a balanced budget, and the governor is then supposed to sign the budget, veto it, or reduce its appropriations using his line-item veto power (subject to override by majority votes of the Illinois House and Senate). Then the comptroller is supposed to spend the money that’s been lawfully appropriated.

    But that process has broken down.

    Without a budget, Rauner’s proposal might be the only viable way to prevent unconstitutional spending.

    Another option would be for taxpayers to file a lawsuit asking the courts to stop the state from spending any money beyond the constitutional limit, but that could be messy. Ordering the state to suddenly stop making all payments because it had reached its annual spending limit could be disruptive and lead to additional legal fights over whether certain spending should nonetheless continue. Also, courts might not want to get involved in the state’s budget battle despite their duty to enforce the constitution. And, in any event, court proceedings could take a long time – during which the state presumably would go right on spending.

    Rauner’s bill provides a simpler, more practical alternative that would allow the governor to ensure that reductions are made rationally, not arbitrarily when spending exceeds a certain amount late in the year, so key services that people rely on will remain fully funded and continue uninterrupted.

    Any concerns that the act would give the governor too much power are not warranted, for several reasons.

    First, they are temporary: The governor would only have his new abilities through fiscal year 2017. There is no risk that they could be abused in some unforeseeable way under different conditions in the future.

    Second, the act is unlike many of the executive orders and regulations that have increased executive-branch power because it would not increase the government’s power over private citizens in any way; on the contrary, it would help make sure that the state stays within its limits. The act is also unlike an executive order or regulation because it would have to be passed by the General Assembly – so, in applying it, the governor would be following the Legislature’s directions, not usurping its powers.

    Finally, Illinois lawmakers could render the act moot at any time by simply passing a balanced budget as the constitution requires.

    That’s what they should do. But if they lack the political courage to fulfill their constitutional responsibilities, then members of the General Assembly should at least give the governor the tools he needs to fulfill his own duty to uphold the state constitution.


    WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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  25. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    An Eppi-pen is for seizures not Black Mold You are not a Doctor, poor advice will kill young shooters, get real

    Yours in Sport
    Gary Bryant......................................Dr.longshot
     
  26. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    The Budget that Gov Rauner proposed as well as the several compromised budgets did not mention funding for INDR until 2017 , then at a reduced rate from the 2015 budget (that never happened) so as of now there is no certainty the IDNR will be funded at all or for how much until the State can agree on and get an operational budget for the State to keep paying bills essential to the State to maintain at a reduced level ... Black Mold is not on their list of priorities as of right now , the local health dept (if there is one) could Red Tag the buildings until remedies have been taken to correct the problem ...
    The HOF is being made ready so there must be something in the works that has not been divulged to the members so they can make plans to come and see the new HOF set up which should be noted as the latest attraction at the WSRC , hopes that will draw a crowd ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  27. delta3

    delta3 Member

    Mold allergies can cause anaphylaxis. That is what an epi pen is for.

    This from the Mold Allergy board....
    Mold allergy with anaphylaxis
    My husband has had serious respiratory reaction to the point of intubation and life support 12 times. He has had every exam you can imagine. Echocardiogram, renal stenosis exam. Every exam is normal. The doctors can't believe he can be so sensitive to mold that he goes into what they have called 'flash pulmonary edema' He basically feels as though he is drowning and if I don't call 911 and he doesn't get help immediatly it is almost certain that he would not survive. This is so incredibly frightening for us both but especially to him. He usually recuperated rather quickly and then has to be on low dose steroids for a while. Unfortunately the last two attacks have damaged his kidneys and he now has to be under close care of a nephrologist. His last attack was this past week while we visited our daughter in Virgina. He ended up in the ICU and every doctor thought we were 'nuts' until we proved to them that indeed he would be fine and that it was a mold allergy.t wasnt until he passed every exam that they just scratched their heads and released him.



    Read more: http://www.healthboards.com/boards/allergies/825535-mold-allergy-anaphylaxis.html#ixzz43BhKhC6X
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    Doc are you a doctor?
     
  28. Family Guy

    Family Guy Mega Poster Founding Member

    How dangerous can this little fellow be?

    mold.jpg
     
  29. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    No, What allergies I saw the Eppi Pen was peanut allergy and other allergy, thank you for the update the other Allergies, so you all can see how bad that Black Mold is at the WRSC Vendor Buildings and possibly the Central Entry Bldg.

    You have to BE SURE of the Injection Being Given

    Yours in Sport
    Gary Bryant...................................Dr.longshot
     
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  30. inteldell

    inteldell Active Member

    Does the ATA have legal exposure since it was discussed in their minutes?
     
  31. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    Good question inteidell with the ways laws are enforced or not today anything would be possible being as they know it exists might make them responsible depending on how the rental or lease agreements read ... If its eliminated the right way, it could be a costly repair ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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  32. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

     
  33. langer

    langer Well-Known Member

    Do you think the NRA asked Arvus if there is mold in their building?:eek::eek::eek::eek::D:D:D
     
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  34. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    If the health hazard exists and the renter accepts liability they are then responsible and are subject to lawsuit for damages ... If I were a renter/ vendor I would not accept or sign any wavers of liability under any circumstances ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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