Who owned it first Ljutic Mono #7

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  1. Joe Roby

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    I did not see the gun. But I was told the Ljutic Mono Gun #7 was just sold in CA. Early gun, early gun back when you had to be someone for AL to let you own one.

    Anyone know some history?
     
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    you can find this in cyber-land .....

    for those that dont know mr.and mrs.ljutic and family, you should. enjoy this.....
    Before he became famous for building super-reliable, custom trap guns, Al was a riflemaker. In fact, he and his father were both superb rifle shooters.
    In the early 1940s, Al was scheduled to participate in the Olympic Games as a rifle competitor for the United States, but the onset of World War II caused the Olympics to be cancelled and Al did not compete.

    Al’s talents with metal and wood have become renowned, but some of his early efforts are unknown to many. He performed freelance gun-design work for many of the major gunmakers, and one of his designs was a gas system for a semiautomatic rifle. This system allowed the gas to be bled off at the proper rate to efficiently work the rifle but not allow the high gas pressures to gradually destroy the gun. The system was given a patent by the U.S. Patent Office in 1939 and was later adopted by Winchester in the rifle that became known as the Model 100. It was produced in .243 Winchester, .284 Winchester and .308 Winchester. The Model 100 was a clip-fed semiauto with sleek lines and sleek functioning to match.

    Al was, for a short time in the 1930s, a professional heavyweight boxer. He fought to make enough money to purchase more and better machines for his shop. The Ljutic Gun Company was then operating in Oakland, California, and this tough young man with Croatian heritage fought good fights. He won some and lost some, but one night he came home and, although he had won, realized he could not remember the fight or how he got home. On the spot, he made the decision to stop fighting.

    Another interesting sidelight of Al’s early career was the fact he made racecar parts – in particular, pistons. The pistons were used in the racecars owned and driven by West Coast midget-car and Indy 500 racing champion Bill Vukovich in the 1950s. Vukovich was known for his hard-charging driving style and cool demeanor. He raced in three consecutive Indy 500s, won the first two and died in the third.

    Gun stocks were another product Al and his dad made on a custom basis for their customers. The “Star” stocks were works of beauty. The standout features on these stocks were the ivory stars inlaid into the wood. These are rare items now, and finding one in good condition would be worth the purchase. Al’s start in trapshooting is an unusual story, but once you read it, you’ll quickly agree “That’s Al.” It seems Western Region Remington field representative A.A. “Al” Riehl gave Al a call one day and asked him to go along to the range for some trapshooting. Al had been a riflemaker and shooter and did not have a shotgun for the occasion, so, true to his mechanical nature, he made one! That’s right, even before Riehl arrived at Al’s shop, Al had machined a simple gun with a single barrel, grip, trigger mechanism and buttplate. The rather bizarre-looking gun later evolved and became known as the “Space Gun.”

    Al became famous for his trap accomplishments. One of the funniest stories was of the first tournament Al ever entered. The place was the Sacramento Gun Club (which, sadly, has recently been closed). Al was new to the game but had natural talent. He arrived at the shoot and promptly entered the Singles event. Equally as promptly, he broke the winning score of 99. No one knew who this ringer was, so, to teach him a lesson, some of the shooters grabbed Al and cut the pant legs off his Levis. They figured he’d be more easily recognized that way, I guess.

    In the summer of 1952, not long after their nuptials, the Ljutics left the Fresno/Clovis area to look for a gun-friendly town where they could set up shop. They happened to stop in Reno, Nevada, and visited Harold’s Gun Club to shoot some targets. They met with the manager of the club, a gentleman by the name of Phil Miller, another ATA hall-of-famer, by the way, who was the first shooter to break 100 straight from the then-maximum 25-yard line in 1924. Phil was also the originator of the Miller System of handicap options used in trap tournaments. Al and Nadine told Phil what they had in mind. Phil was a fine shooter, and he was also a shrewd businessman and could see a good thing when it was right in front of him. He told Al and Nadine he stored his trap machines in a military-style quonset but and, if they agreed, they could use the but as their machine shop. As part of the deal, Al would take on the responsibilities of Assistant Manager at Harold’s Gun Club. The deal was sealed with a handshake, and it seemed Reno was as far as the Ljutics had to travel to find a gun-friendly town to set up shop.

    Phil Miller became a good friend of the Ljutics and later influenced Al to design and build a better single-barrel trap gun than was popular at the time. Serious trapshooters of the era were winning with guns such as Parker, Ithaca and Purdey. The great new Ljutic “Mono Gun” was the result of Phil’s influence.

    Somewhere around 1956/57, Al designed and built a progressive shotshell reloading machine. Before the late 1950s, no one really thought much about reloading. Al’s design would reload one or two shells at a time, with each stroke of the machine having the shells undergo a different stage of the process: depriming, priming, resizing, powder drop, wad insertion, shot drop, crimp start, final crimp and then the finished shell. ATA hall-of-famer Arnold Riegger performed demonstrations of Al’s new machine and sold them, as well. Riegger made many trips to the winner’s podium with reloaded shells he had produced on Al’s machine. The wad used in the reloader was originally stamped out of acoustic fiberboard purchased in 4'x8' sheets. These sheets came packaged on pallets. On the night of October 27, 1964, the Ljutics suffered a fire at their home and plant when, apparently, the moisture or chemical content of one or more of the pallets of fiberboard was too high and somehow caused it to spontaneously combust. The fire became a conflagration that destroyed the home and shop they had built on property across the highway from Harold’s Gun Club.

    As the years went by, the Ljutics came to know many of the best trapshooters in the country. Ljutic was rapidly becoming almost a household name in trap circles.

    Some years prior to the destructive fire, Al and Nadine made the acquaintance of a big, young, handsome man who stood 6' 5" and was such an imposing figure you may have thought he was a professional football player. And, as a matter of fact, he was. His name was Dan Orlich. Dan had played end for the Green Bay Packers for three seasons. He was a huge man but a complete gentleman and fierce competitor, as you might expect of someone from the trenches of the National Football League. Of course, the name Dan Orlich immediately brings to mind one of the all-time greats in trapshooting, and he is rightly enshrined in the ATA Hall of Fame. Al had a part in Dan’s trapshooting success other than Dan owning the # 1 Mono Gun and #1 Bi-Gun; Al also helped Dan learn to shoot with both eyes open.


    The names of trapshooting’s legends who owed some of their success to shooting with a Ljutic trap gun are many and include Joe “Jody” Devers. Legend has it when Joe was a teenager, he was devastatingly fast with a pump gun. One day after a shoot, Joe’s father asked a couple shooters if they’d like to shoot some doubles against Joe. He made a bet if Joe shot on one trap field and the other shooter took a position on the field next to Joe, Joe could break both his targets and the second target of the other shooter before his rival could take a shot on his own second bird. The legend goes only one brave soul took him up on the bet, and he lost. I’ve never run across a person who could confirm that legend, but that is how I heard it. Joe owned the #3 Ljutic Mono Gun. He also shot a Ljutic Bi-Gun.

    C.E. “Barney” Barnhart was another trap great who enjoyed success with a Ljutic trap gun. Barney was a tremendously talented shooter and had the honor, by virtue of his great performances, to be named to the All-American Men’s Team for 16 consecutive years from 1958-1973 and again in 1978. The #8 Ljutic Mono Gun Barney used was unfortunately destroyed in the fire of October 1964. The gun was later replaced by the Ljutics.

    Air Force Colonel Hank Copsey also knew well the excellent target-breaking performance a Ljutic was capable of. He owned the #21 Ljutic Mono Gun that happened to be the last one produced in Reno prior to the fire. When Hank flew his plane to town, the Ljutic kids – Loretta, Jimmy and Joe – always got a kick out of watching him fly low over their home and dip his wings to “wave” at them.

    The fire of 1964 forced the Ljutics to make another move, this time to Yakima, Washington. This came about with the help of friends Keith Williams, Sr. and his sons Jerry and Chris, as well as good friend Ed Thoman, who was at that time head of Pacific Power & Light. Their involvement helped Al and Nadine obtain an SBA loan to become established in Yakima. They had found a new home, a new place to do business and many new friends.

    For many years the company, which was now known as Ljutic Industries, designed, developed and built many custom and production trap guns - guns like the great standard of the Ljutic line, the Mono Gun, X-73, Dyna-Trap, Space Gun (which has been recognized as one of the 20 most ingenious gun designs of the 20th century), Dyno-Kic (a breakopen version of the Space Gun), Centennial Pro, Bi-Gun (“Bi” stood for over & under), TC Bi-Gun, the totally custom LM-6, Bi-Centennial and Dyna Bi-Gun. These and more models made the Ljutic name greatly respected within the trapshooting fraternity.

    By 1985, the Ljutic Industries location on 5th Avenue in Yakima was becoming cramped. They needed more room to accommodate the new computer machining centers. CNC machines, lathes and milling machines all take a considerable amount of physical space, so they moved to 16th Avenue. The new 10,000-square-foot facility gave them the room they needed to grow and make the best use of the new computeraided technology.

    Like most successful small businesses, Ljutic Industries has always focused on what is best for the company and the consumer and the most efficient manner in which to operate the business. With that credo in effect, on September 11, 2006, a portion of Ljutic Industries was sold to business entrepreneur Jere Irwin of Irwin Research & Development. Irwin is involved in a number of business ventures, among them manufacturing dies and machines to produce plastic and foam packaging for pre-packaged food and the fast-food market. With the new partnership, Ljutic L.L.C. gained 160,000 square feet of manufacturing capability, as well as world-class engineering and marketing talent. Ljutic is now solidly positioned to maintain their long and well-established place as a leader in the production of custom specialty guns in the United States. One of the first fruits of this new partnership is a new adjustable rib for the famous Ljutic Mono Gun.

    When I began the interview process with Nadine, I sent her some preliminary questions to read. One question was “If you had to describe one particular, outstanding moment in your life, what would it be?” Here is her response:

    “There have been so many great happenings in our lives, it’s hard to pick one. The best part, however, has been 54 years of 24/7 with Al, never a dull moment and always and forever interesting. When we went together, the one thing we always enjoyed was talking – never those long silent periods as with other dates – and there was great fun. And, having had Joe and Jim in our business, too, and seeing the great contributions they’ve both made, as well as our daughter Loretta and her husband, who also works for us. And the joy of our lives, being grandma and grandpa to Joe’s two girls – Dominique and Nicole. The icing on the cake, of course, was all of us becoming trapshooters, which set the stage for a wonderful life and business.”
    We all look forward to the latest gun model to come from this legend in American trap. Ljutic will continue to be a household name among trapshooters.

    In Part By: Johnny Cantu

    Shotgun Sports Magazine, 2007
     
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    Not sure who owned #7... In 1963 Al took eight mono guns to the Grand that year. That's when Barnhart received his
    Mono gun #8 and won the Clay Target Championship... Not sure which monthly issue of T&F 1963 and 1964 I remember
    reading articles interviewing Al Ljutic...

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    I think it was first owned by Romo Lupi an Ohio shooter. Then I believe Joe Pollo owned it until his death. He was also an Ohio shooter, his last residence was in AZ. Both of these men were very close friend of mine and they are greatly missed.
    Roger C.
     
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    Have #64... Has seen very little daylight since it was manufactured.

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    I like to find #720 again
     
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    Grip cap on the Ljutic Mono gun that belonged to J.O. Bates... Have not researched Mr. Bates shooting history.

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    I own Bi-gun #4 and recently saw, what was claimed, to be Bi-Gun #1 combo (Dan Orlich's?). #4 is a 34" full/full so I suspect it was intended for live birds.
     
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    J. O. BATES
    July 4, 1900 - January 8, 1982
    Of Fort Worth, Texas

    John Olin Bates, of Ft. Worth, Texas was a notable Skeet shooter who at one time held a world record reported to be 398 straight.

    He was drawn to trapshooting where he was also an accomplished champion.

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    Enjoy Our History !

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    Too bad no one has authored/researched a book, outlining the various SB trap guns now being produced, and some notable shooters who use(d) them also. Would make for a great read, especially from the "historical" point of view.
    So many great single barrel trap guns being manufactured in USA, and each just a little different in their own way/design.
     
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    I couldn't agree more Mr. Greenside.

    Unfortunately, the gun used by champion shooters has been left out of reports for many, many decades and that should be part of every report because it's an element of history.

    For several years, I've been helping owners of guns that once belonged to notable shooters by providing information about the shooter and his/her accomplishments. I recently provided information to a fellow who has the Parker gun used by John A. "Mingo" Flick, of Ravenna, OH. He is scheduled to have has account of Mr. Flick appear soon in the Double Gun Journal.

    It's wonderful that the Parker Gun Association preserved the information on the sales and repairs of old Parker guns.

    I gave the late Dick Baldwin, Trapshooting Hall of Fame Museum Director, a large folder on Lester S. German, a great shooter and a DuPont & Parker sales and shooting representative. Mr. Baldwin submitted his name for induction but because he's long passed, he continues to be overlooked each year. He was a professional ball player (pitcher) in the late 1800s and became a professional shooter, winning the Westy Hogan tournament back about September 1915 with 499x500 after taking a load of shot in his back the previous May.

    A great gentleman shooter who's accomplishments should never be forgotten.

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    H.B. , They used to ask what ammo and make of gun was used. Back in the mid. 70's ,I was ask those questions at the Georgia state shoot. I think it was 1976 or 1977. Roger C.
     
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    Thank you Roger. They also used to report details about the weather conditions of the shoots and also the names of every entrant at the tournament. This done well before the invent of the computer. Why could they report this historical information back then but we can't seem to do it today?

    I have a file on the old-time shoot reporters and they were amazing folks. Besides reporting on the tournaments, they sometimes helped with classification, cashiering, and other tasks. I will be forever grateful to each and every one of them.

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    There is one book dedicated to the SBT`s... Frank Conley `s book, The American Single Barrel Trap Gun (Out of Print)
    Has a lot of information on American single barrels and some of the champion shooters...

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    I have one
     
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    But does that book also have the current SB trapguns that are still built by Silver Seitz, Ljutic, and others ??
    That would be cool to have a book that covers EVERTHING past, and current. I'll have to search for a copy of that book by Frank Conley. Pretty cool !!!!!!!!!
     
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    I still say the most elegant SBT is the Ithaca 5E. JMO
     
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    or DOLLAR grade
     
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