Issue with position 5 at 21 yd

Discussion in 'Trapshooting Forum - Americantrapshooter.com' started by sleeperhawk, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. sleeperhawk

    sleeperhawk Active Member

    Ok finally made it to the 21yd, seems like forever at 20 and 20.5 . Did not think there would be a big difference between 20 and 21 but I am 8 birds below average for the last the shoots., the problem is position 5, seem to consistently drop 2 birds there and does not matter if the hard right or the quarter angle. I feel like I keep shooting over them.

    I go back to the 20, I am smokin these birds. just wondering do I need to hold a lower gun point, adjust the comb up or down, or just leave adjustments alone and keep practicing until I figure it?

    I normally have a high gun hold, about 2 feet above house, both eyes open.
     
  2. BRAD DYSINGER

    BRAD DYSINGER The Philosophist Founding Member Member Trapshooting Hall of Fame Member State Hall of Fame

    I think it is in your head but I'd recommend playing with your height hold. I'd bet, unless you are one eye'd you'll need to hold higher than 2 feet over the house. I'd try parallel to the ground because i'd bet you could be moving the gun to fast. Just a general observation without seeing you shoot.
     
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  3. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    Mind games, like Brad said ... See the target break the target ... Have someone who can see the shot stand behind you and tell you where you are shooting, go from there ... Good Luck ... WPT ... YAC) ...
     
  4. sleeperhawk

    sleeperhawk Active Member

    Dang I am short guy, so I thought I was parallel to the ground, will try a higher gun hold at 5.

    So the further you go back, the higher the gun hold should be?
     
  5. sleeperhawk

    sleeperhawk Active Member

    Would like to have someone do that, but when I go practice seems like I am the only out there LOL. nice to have a 4 trap field site to myself.
     
  6. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    Go there one time when others are there, most people are always willing to help ... Make sure the person can see the shot and isn't guessing, giving you bad info ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  7. sleeperhawk

    sleeperhawk Active Member

    would getting a shotkam help? or just a waste of money
     
  8. BRAD DYSINGER

    BRAD DYSINGER The Philosophist Founding Member Member Trapshooting Hall of Fame Member State Hall of Fame

    Dave Berlet was telling me about a Garmin contraption that he tried at Sparta that worked so well that the Moulton Trap Kids are buying one. About a grand but cheap if it works. Check that out.
     
  9. Troutbum

    Troutbum Active Member

    I also checked out the Garmin yesterday. Much better than Shotkam in my opinion due to all the information it can instantly display after each shot. Also set up and calibration are much simpler than gun mounted cameras. We too will be buying one for our youth team.
     
  10. BRAD DYSINGER

    BRAD DYSINGER The Philosophist Founding Member Member Trapshooting Hall of Fame Member State Hall of Fame

    Sounds like a good system.
     
  11. rrisum

    rrisum Mega Poster

    Grandson was having a fit on right hand birds on five when he moved back --His problem as a right hand shooter he as rushing the gun - and not keeping his head on the gun -- or the gun was pulling from his face . --slowed him down-Kept his face on the stock and all is good --just remember the bird is not moving any faster back at the 21 than it was at the 16 --You need some one to check out your form!
     
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  12. Roger Coveleskie

    Roger Coveleskie State HOF Founding Member Member State Hall of Fame

    sleeperhawk, Not everyone excels by holding a high gun. Try holding a lower gun on 1 and 5. If you are , level on 234 drop down a little on 5, you are probably not seeing the target leave the house on five, and then you are snapping at it and coming off of the stock. Try it you have nothing to loose, and do not think about anything but seeing and breaking the target.
    are you having the same problem on 16 rd. birds? If not shoot the hdk. birds the same way. there is no difference between the two. Roger C.
     
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  13. Par4

    Par4 Well-Known Member

    @sleeperhawk

    I am going to restate what others have said. Sometimes a different view of the same picture helps.

    You have a little devil on your shoulder. The devil is telling you the yardage difference means you have to hurry up. Your move suffers as a consequence.

    You are not alone. Even an experienced shooter can fall victim to the little devil. It can happen at the sixteen, in handicap or both. The yardage has not changed. It could be the wind or visibility. The devil says hurry up. One starts moving too soon and with a sense of urgency. The gun is moving faster than the rest of the unit. This is not good. The kinds of errors cited by rrism creep into the equation. The relationship of the stock to the face and the eyes suffers. The different move results in a loss of control.

    At your next practice session you must ignore the devil. Go back to the smooth move which resulted in your yardage increase.
     
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  14. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    Have you had your LOP checked, Too Long=behind the targets.


    GB.................................DLS
     
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  15. sleeperhawk

    sleeperhawk Active Member

    yep had that checked out in june