I have To Admit !!!!

Discussion in 'Trapshooting Forum - Americantrapshooter.com' started by dr.longshot, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    I am reloading 1 ounce loads now, Because I am Retired on Social Security, and need to save money, to keep shooting.

    My Powders are PROMO and 700-X, My hulls are mostly TOP GUN & RIO once fired hulls that are free.

    Using RIO Primers, Federal 12SO Wad Clones by Claybuster.

    I will admit I had to have something to do while Nursing My Stump for fitting my Prosthesis, I spent my time reloading Hulls, I still have some 1 1/8th oz to shoot up. When I emptied my Car Trunk of Loaded Boxed Shells & Put them in Flats I had 12 Flats of them 1 1/8th
    shells.

    All my recent Loads are 1 oz Line Loads w/the exception of my 1 1/8th oz #6 Longshot Loads for those long Shootoffs.

    Cold Weather has set in and Today I will Load some Longshot Loads for summer buddy shoots, I am a firm believer in using #6 shot
    they will break the target at any distance I shoot, they hold Kinetic Energy Farther than # 7.5s or #7s. tried and true.

    This coming Wednesday the day before Thanksgiving is a 60 Bird Buddy Shoot in Kentucky, a yearly event.

    GB............................................DLS
     
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  2. Columbus

    Columbus Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    How much are you saving? $35 a bag for shot equals 8.75 cents an oz. So on average you're saving a whopping 1.1 cents per shell -
     
  3. 209

    209 Member

    Columbus

    You get 45 more shells from a bag of shot using 1 oz loads. Not much of a savings for you but big for blue collar shooter like me or a dad that has 2 kids shooting.
     
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  4. Columbus

    Columbus Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    Sure, you get 45 more loads of shot, but you only saved 50 cents.
     
  5. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    You use less Powder, Cheaper Promo Powder, Hulls are Free, Primer Cost is lower, And I have Custom 1 oz shells, That I designed/Chrono'd. More Confidence.

    GB............................................DLS
     
  6. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    If you have confidence in them go for it, I have shot them by mistake and won a handicap (27 yds) event with them .... That gives you (me ) something to think about ... If they break targets I'll shoot them ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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  7. 209

    209 Member

    Using what what brand calculator is 45 extra shells only saving 50 cents? Assuming the bag is $38 that is a saving of close to $5 before using less powder. That would be just for that bag. Reloading for 2 kids and that adds up.

    Reloading for me and it adds up.
     
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  8. User 1

    User 1 Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    FWIW ..... You "save money" on all the 400-ish shells you would get out of a bag of shot, loading 1 oz ..... not just the "extra 45" .....

    Making a shell cost ??x45 ..... not savings x45 .....
     
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  9. Whiz White

    Whiz White Well-Known Member

    GARY: Email me directly (address is on my website) and get me an address.

    I'm going to send you some GOOD once-fired hulls at no charge.

    Whiz
     
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  10. Columbus

    Columbus Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    There are 400 one oz. loads in a 25lb bag of shot. 355 1 1/8 oz loads. $38/400 = $.095, $38/355 = $.107 - the difference between the two loads in cost of lead is just $.012. That's 54 cents on 45 shells. That's about $2.50 a flat which could certainly add up over time.
     
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  11. User 1

    User 1 Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    If you "save" ..... "54 cents on 45 shells" ..... How much would you "save" on more than "45" ??????

    A "shell" would cost ?? per shell loading 1 1/8 oz ..... and ?? per shell loading 1 oz ..... not the "same cost" for "355", and a "cost difference" for "45" .....

    "the difference between the two loads in cost of lead is just $.012" ..... that would be true for 1, 10, 45, 355, 400 or more .....
     
  12. hard left

    hard left Member

    An extra 50 shells a bag. I am all in. If Columbus thinks the saving aint nuthin have him forward some money to the forum. Saving 12% works for me.
     
  13. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    Post the address, I would gladly donate to this forum ... That would only be fair ... WPT ... (YAC) ... (PM me ) ...
     
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  14. Columbus

    Columbus Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    12%? No, don't think so. You save $.54 on $38.00 - that's 1.4%
     
  15. hard left

    hard left Member

    Columbus........

    1/8 equals .125 or 12.5 % of 1

    400 ounces in 25 pounds.

    50 shells at 1 ounce equals 50 ounces = 1/8 of a bag or 12.5% If you want to say 14. 0% fine

    Move your decimal.
     
  16. Columbus

    Columbus Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    Wrong math. You're not getting anything extra - 400 oz is all you have. 400 1 oz loads or 355 1.125oz loads. You're gaining usage of 1/8 oz of shot in those 45 extra loads - .0124 x 45 =5.625 oz. At $38 a bag the shot costs $.095 per oz. 5.625 x .095 = $0.534 - so, on the bag of shot - going to one ounce loads you'd have 45 more shells and save 54 cents. 0.54 / 38 = .0142. 1.4%
     
  17. hard left

    hard left Member

    On what planet does one eighth equal 1.4 %?

    On what planet does 50 out of 400 equal 1.4 %.

    You are an idiot!
     
  18. Columbus

    Columbus Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    Then do the math. Show me the math - and we're only talking about the monetary savings per load in cost of lead. Then we'll see who's been an idiot.
     
  19. hard left

    hard left Member

    Not only did I show u the math. You copied it.

    suicide by stabbing.gif
     
  20. User 1

    User 1 Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    If you can load 45 additional shells without spending any more money for "shot" ..... and the cost per shell is "$.095" for 1oz of shot .....

    45 x .095 = 4.275 that you did not have to spend (savings) .....
     
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  21. Columbus

    Columbus Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    Jesus, now I know how teachers feel when they have a student who just won't learn. You didn't answer the question and stabbing yourself in the chest certainly won't make you any smarter. For some reason you just can't see it. Ignorance is one thing but stupidity just can't be fixed.
     
  22. hard left

    hard left Member

    Additional savings then added is using less powder and not having to buy recoil reducing stocks.
    If my math confused you try understand user-1 post above. Stabbing is less painful than teaching you.
     
  23. Columbus

    Columbus Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    Just answer the question......(and children, show your work) at $38 for 25 lbs of shot, what is the difference in cost between a 1 oz load and a 1.125oz load?
     
  24. User 1

    User 1 Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    The "cost difference" is .011875 per shell ..... to load 400 1 1/8 oz shells would cost 4.75 more than loading 400 1 oz shells .....
     
  25. hard left

    hard left Member

    400 loads out of a bag of lead if using once ounce.

    355 loads out of a bag of lead if using 1.125 ounce loads.

    45 extra shells

    45 is approximately 1/8th of the bag.

    45 shells is approximately 12.5 % of the total bag
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    12 % of the $38.00 bag = about $4.50 savings per bag

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    The above only includes the lead savings, not the savings in powder which would be another 10 % of the powder cost.
    That assumes out of a 20 grain load you will only need 18, which is reasonable.
     
  26. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    I save $11.25 per bag of shot Vs New Shell Cost @ $5.74 per box + Tax $5.74 X 1.0775=$6.18 divided by 25=$.247394X45= $11.13 savings just on shot

    GB.......................................DLS
     
  27. Bat

    Bat Mega Poster

    If you only look at it as $ savings out of a bag of shot, there is no saving. Both cost you $38. The comparison is as User 1 showed, w/rounding differences: 400 1oz cost $38, 400 1.125 oz. cost $42.81. The savings per shell is about 1.2 cents, but 45 shells has nothing to do with the savings calculation. You have to use the whole 400 in this conversation.
     
  28. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    By loading 1oz shells the Loader achieves 45 free shells that is a Full Box of 25 and 20 Add'l shells out of his Bag of shot investment regardless of what SHOT COST.

    I have CUSTOM shells that I developed at the speed I like.; I shoot them through a FULL Hyperbolic Factory Choke Tube by Caesar Guerini Fabarms AXIS

    The best tubes ever Machined yet.

    GB..............................................DLS
     
  29. Roger Coveleskie

    Roger Coveleskie State HOF Founding Member Member State Hall of Fame

    Is it snowing yet. I must go buy some popcorn. Roger C.
     
  30. jlmccuan

    jlmccuan Member

    Look at it this way. When you load 1 1/8oz shells you load 355 loaded shells out of a bag. When you load 1oz shells, after loading 355 you have 45oz of shot left over. Scaling that up, if you started with 9 bags of shot and loaded it all into 1 1/8oz shells and then loaded 1oz loads to match the number of 1 1/8oz shells there would be a bag of shot left over. Essentially making the 1 oz loads $38 cheaper to produce than an equal number of 1 1/8oz.
     
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  31. Krieghoff-80

    Krieghoff-80 Well-Known Member

    You quit a little too early in your calculation, as it goes like this, 12.0% of $38.00 equals $4.56 and 12.5% of $38.00 equals $4.75.
     
  32. Krieghoff-80

    Krieghoff-80 Well-Known Member

    How about this.

    8 bags of shot will produce 3200 1 ounce loads.
    9 bags of shot will produce 3195 1 1/8 ounce loads.

    Savings equal one bag of shot at any price.
     
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  33. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    I'm screwed, I only shoot new shells so I don't save anything …. Oh Well, Happy New Year … WPT … (YAC) …
     
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  34. History Seeker

    History Seeker A NoBody Founding Member Official Historian

    More arguing about % and $ than on any other site.

    Got to admit that 1.4% is a whole lot more than I am earning in my bank account.
     
  35. BAMA

    BAMA Mega Poster

    bs popcorn.gif Keep it up!
     
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  36. rrisum

    rrisum Mega Poster

    Even at that savings --I have been buying new shell cheaper than I can reload -- The new planned shot is going to require new shells anyway -- Look for the sales -- Have fun shooting -- HAPPY NEW YEARS
     
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  37. Par4

    Par4 Well-Known Member

    I bought 1 ounce and a 1 1/16th ounce shot bushings back in the 90s to reduce recoil. I lost 100% on that deal.
     
  38. Michael J

    Michael J Active Member

    Would love to see you guys figure out a Lewis Class.
     
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  39. History Seeker

    History Seeker A NoBody Founding Member Official Historian

    Ha ha ha

    We would need a chart !
     
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