Dear ATA Are you willing to

Discussion in 'Trapshooting Forum - Americantrapshooter.com' started by dr.longshot, Oct 22, 2018.

  1. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    Willing to Sitting down with the Life Members and make changes to bring back the ATA
    To as close as we can to what it should be, by Changing Rules? Eliminating some categories, and re-defining others. Lowering Target Requirements for a Permanent Card?

    Gary Bryant & All Life Members
     
  2. trapshooter47

    trapshooter47 US Army Retired US Army Retired Founding Member

    Doc I understand what your asking for, why would they want to do this. The ATA has members who don't care and are not concerned with what the ATA is doing with their money. The generation that remembers the great days of registered shooting is ageing daily. Maybe starting a new organization is the only way to return to the golden age of trapshooting.
     
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  3. Roger Coveleskie

    Roger Coveleskie State HOF Founding Member Member State Hall of Fame

    Doc,
    Start a poll.
    Ask if the ATA will agree to a sit down. If there is no affirmative response.
    Start another poll and find out how many shooters would be willing to start another organization. This one is on life support that can not last much longer. According to BAT the BOD could vote to give the EC the right to make the BOD all paid positions and then the EC could decide to give the BOD unlimited expense accounts. There are no checks and balance in this organization, it seems the members give and the EC uses funds as they see fit.
    My choice would be for a serious sit down and make some changes that will include the members in the running of the organization. Return the delegates position to the states that elected them. Inform the state members to elect qualified delegates to represent them. If that does not work insist on an unaligned board of directors made up of life members and the Pres. of the ATA, a seven member board would be ideal. The board must not include any EC members but the Pres. Roger C.
     
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  4. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    The ATA will never agree to such a meeting, they can care less what or how the members feel about anything ... Unless the SWAMP is drained and fresh faces with fresh ideas happen you are barking up the wrong tree ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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  5. iowa guy

    iowa guy Mega Poster Founding Member

    Gary,

    Don't for a second believe that all Life Members necessarily agree with your positions on the matters where you take exception to the ATA.

    You'd be better off starting your own organization with any rules you want. Your membership numbers will tell you all you need to know.
     
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  6. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    Why not give the first approach to the ATA to see if they are willing to have a sit down of Life Members for a discussion, IOWA GUY there are a lot of OLD LIFE MEMBERS STILL ALIVE that can answer for themselves.
    How many agree with me so far?

    GB................................DLS
     
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  7. trapshooter47

    trapshooter47 US Army Retired US Army Retired Founding Member

    The ATA powers that be will never agree to any such meeting. Why would they, what is there to gain from it. It's exactly how they want it. Kinda like the term, taxation without representation. Send them money and get nothing in return. Don't question them, they will tell you on a need to know basis! Forget it Doc, that horse your beating is done.
     
  8. Roger Coveleskie

    Roger Coveleskie State HOF Founding Member Member State Hall of Fame

    Gary,
    I never expect every body to agree on anything. I would hope most members were intelligent enough to make their own qualified decisions. There are to many things wrong with the present structure of the governing body of the ATA. The complete finances of a multi-million corp. are in the hands of people that do not believe in transparency. That in its self is the reason many have lost trust in them. Roger C.
     
  9. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    An organization that has problems like the ATA Has, should listen to a group of Life Members and try to help bring the Amateur Trapshooting Assoc. back from COLLAPSING, would really like to hear some correction formula, Bring back the POWERS of the LIFE MEMBERS by APPEALING THE BY-LAWS that were changed and Moved to Another State, as it was registered in Maryland I believe. Would hiring a Trapshooting Life Member that IS AN ATTORNEY help?
    I am trying to look at all the Legal Angles. We have a good Attorney in Ohio that lives in Delaware Ohio, that is a Trapshooter, and I think is a LIFE MEMBER, The other one passed away several Years ago, that would have been interested.

    GB............................DLS
     
  10. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    I can only ask for help, and all I get is what I will call Instability, Not Enough want to form a group to sit down withe the ATA.

    Joe can you start a On Line petetion and Sign it, have those interested in a sit down with ATA Management for a discussion/Resolution, If the ATA is sincere to get more Shooters to join OUR sport, and bring back A SINCERE COMPETETIVE TARGET, like we used to shoot, and Look back to see what THEY/ATA did to cause a reduction, loss of competetion over the last 30 years, and willing to make changes.

    Gary Bryant............................................DLS
     
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  11. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    I can only do so much, I/We need a real dedicated GROUP.

    GB...............................DLS
     
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  12. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    How many of you Life Members are interested in meeting with the ATA governing Body. To ask for some changes THAT WILL BRING BACK SHOOTERS, AND No 30 Yard Line.

    Count me in #1 come on join

    GB...............................DLS
     
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  13. Roger Coveleskie

    Roger Coveleskie State HOF Founding Member Member State Hall of Fame

    Doc,
    We need a new organization, the one we have is beyond fixing. The present leaders will never admit they can not lead this group. Get the leadership needed for the new registered agenda. If they let the lifers back in the management of the ATA to many deals may surface that are shady. Roger C.
     
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  14. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    Let's give it One Last try, so we can say we TRIED.. I feel we owe the ATA one last try, how many others feel the same way.

    I would like the owner of this site put up a Petetion, The following Members of the ATA want to sit down and try to save the ATA.

    With these.....................................................................Changes.

    Gary Bryant.................................DLS.
     
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  15. Roger Coveleskie

    Roger Coveleskie State HOF Founding Member Member State Hall of Fame

    Doc. You have got to stop smoking that stuff. It is messing up your image. Roger C.
     
  16. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    Roger: The Mexican Drug Lords burnt up most of my stuff in the California & Colorado fires, that cut into their MONEY, President Trump Got That RIGHT TOO.

    GB..............................................................DLS
     
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