New Rules for Charlie Boggs and Mississippi is a no show!

Mississippi Delegate Charlie Boggs (corrected) succeeded in convincing other delegates that it was in the best interest of us to change our trapshooting rules. Some were convinced Mississippi cannot find 25 shooters for a handicap event. Thus the winner regardless of score could not earn some yardage.

So there you go. The winner regardless of score (could be a 60) now gets yardage all across the nation. That, provided of course there are 15 shooters. They can get that many in Mississippi.

The vote was in the best interest of trapshooting right? Missippians would now travel. The ATA problems would be solved.

Nearby -- no Mississipians made the trip to the Florida State shoot.

Yardage in Florida is different than yardage in Mississippi. Must be metric.

 

I for one like the new rules, (or going back to the old rule)
We shoot a lot of small clubs, rarely would be get more than 20 shooters .
So if you get moved back on a 89, what does that matter, you only get to shoot against much better shooters, and a few years from now you get a chance to move foreward again.

 

Gee jb63 that surprises me. If you want yardage how about spending the quarter and calling the ATA.

Tired of the "everyone is a winner" mentality.

 

Why not a 70? Isn't that the intention?

 

A .25 call could have moved any and all back to the 25 yd. line. What's worse is the votes to make it a new rule. More than a few were asleep at the switch!

 

One used to go out and post a 96 or 97 then walk in and get their punch. Then came the call in system where anyone could call in and get moved to the 25. Now it looks like you just show up post a winning 88 or maybe even a 90 a couple times a bingo you're a long yardage guru. Standing on the 27 and never posted a score higher than a 90 or 91. Are they starting the awards for attendance this year or is that still a couple months away?

 

Back in the day one would get a 27 yrd pin for recognition of the achievement. Don't know if they still do it these days. If they still do it now, its' total BS. Who ever voted on this must have an IQ of an empty crab shell. Getting that pin used to be the Holy Grail for one of your first accomplishments in this sport.

 

So if I'm reading this correct if there are 15 shooters at a registered handicap event someone post a high score of say 90 and wins they get a punch?

 

90 and sometimes even lower!

 

It will be fun to watch how the short yardage winners who ride those 94's and 95's out all year will react.

 

The ATA has been on a path of self destruction for years. First we had the need for easy targets. Then we had the need to get to the 25 yard line without shooting any qualifying scores. Then it was decided to include more categories as everyone needed to win a trophy. The whole rational behind registered shooting has become a joke. The requirement of ability is now a thing of the past. I'm sure there's someone right now at this moment putting together the new rule regarding a "statement of ability." Soon we'll just notify the ATA of our desired shooting results for the year and they'll send back the necessary trophies and awards. NO ABILITY NEEDED, WE'VE FINALLY REACHED THE DREAM OF THE FORMER PRES FROM MINN.

 

Just send in the results.

I think that guy from PA did that a couple of years ago. Won that shoot they had in Il. around August

 

Neither did any shooters from Miss. attend the Southern Grand. FL. must have been too far away to try and get some real yardage. Pure stupidity!

 

Is it unfair dawg that the 15 shooters in Mississippi have the same vote as the 2000 shooters in PA? When those from OH and PA quit going to the shoots there will be a change.

I am guessing ATA President Morris made it to the shoot as 15% of the shooters in Rhode Island were represented. You dont think Morris wants to give up his power. Rhode Island's shooters ( if they have some this year) have the same pull as all those in OH combined.

 

So how long had the prior rule of 25 shooters for earned yardage for the top score been in place?

 

Result of narrow thinking on the part of delegates.

 

September 1st 2015
mfowler13

 

mfowler13, My average books are at home, but am fairly sure that the rule book included in the 2012 average book showed the 25 shooter rule. The prior year's book showed 15. So that would put the rule change in the 2013 target year.

So far all of those complaining about this rule change, the 25 shooter rule was short lived and we are going back to what it used to be. And just for reference, I looked at the on line PITA rule book and their rule is 10 shooters.

 

Iowa guy I misread his post you are correct.

 

There will be a meat shoot in PA this week with more shooters than are at the PITA grand. Why not make it 10 shooters? We could all be at the 27 next month.

If we made it 5 shooters just think about the explosion of targets that would be shot in Mississippi. Mississippians will flock to their clubs and drive to Florida to shoot for real yardage. They will all have the gold 27 yard pin. Life will be good.

It is unfortunate a state with more "S" in the state name than registered shooters cancels the vote of PA, NY, MI, or OH.

 

From 1982 to 2000 target year, it was 15-24

From 2011 to 2011 target year, it was 15-39

From 2012 to 2014 target year, it was 25-49

In 2015 it reverted back to 15-39 shooters necessary for a 1/2 yard punch.

Here's the number of entries required to earn yardage back in 1958. (25-59)

 

There are three 27 yard shooters in Mississippi. If they are still alive. None made it to Florida State Shoot. 27 yards in Florida is further than the 27 yards in Mississippi.

 

1 of 6 Shooters in Mississippi has a handicap average of 80 or lower.

Now ask yourself how do we get more of the general population of Mississippi shooters to the 27?

 

The ATA doesn't give free yardage past the 25. Maybe they should have petitioned the ATA to change that rule to say anyone who requests a move to the 27 be granted his wish. What's a few more 60's /100 to make a few shooters in Miss. happy!

 

Mississippi was not the only delegate to vote for the new rule.

 

Call and get to the 25, win a small shoot with an 85 and get a punch. These changes are in place for only one reason, to award something to those shooters who are unable to attain it through competition. ATA registered shooting is more about attending a social function than a competitive shooting competition. Do any of these new rules make anyone a better shooter? Nope, they just make those unable to earn their way back feel good with the yardage they couldn't attain through their own ability. Guess we should have everyone shoot from the 27 and for every 3 registered shoots you attend you get a medal. No scorers needed, just shoot and tell others about the low or high targets that were unfair. Saves money and makes the uncompetitive feel better. The new society rules have arrived at Trapshooting.

 

So Seitz9010 you must then favor mandatory reductions? If you're against letting someone shoot from yardage they haven't earned, it would only make sense that you would be against letting someone stay where they no longer belong.

Low score punches have always been part of the ATA Handicap system. I recall punches in the low 90s, high 80s at shoots with 60 - 70 shooters. The 15 shooter rule has been in place for many years and no one seemed to care before.

If you don't like it go join PITA. Their earned yardage table starts at 10 shooters. At least it does take a 97 for automatic yardage.

 

ollie give it up.

 

Iowa guy, nope I don't care if someone wants to stay on the yardage they earned at one time and I really don't care about the new rules. They're there and everyone will follow them. I just said the competition factor is gone from the game period. If you're standing on a yardage your not competitive at you're just having an enjoyable afternoon, you're not going to play options. ATA registered shooting is now just a social event when you have half of the entrants at a yardage they're not competitive from. It's just a little personal challenge from them but they're not part of the event challenge. These same guys will bitch like hell if they don't get to shoot from the most advantageous spot at a local competition or meat shoot but they'll drive hundreds of miles to be uncompetitive just so they can shoot with friends or say they are on the 27. That's just my opinion.

 

Iowa guy, if you've been shooting as long as your post leads one to believe then you remember going to shoots where just about everyone played the money and shooters were always looking for their 1000 target review to move forward. Then in the nineties it seemed shooters just wanted to be able to say they were 27 yarders and stopped playing the money. Registered shooting today is nothing like it was years ago. As I said before its just an expensive social event.

 

If only the BOD was capable of hitting the reset button to 1993. The targets were harder, the handicap system worked, and the "Penalty A" shooters flocked to the big shoots on the weekends.

A very good score was a 90. That was when All Americans struggled to have better than a 91 average on the caps.

 

I don't know about 1993, but from the early 70's to mid 80's a score of 95 to 96 from the 27 would generally take the long yardage award, if not the top score.